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[Deej92]

Labour trail the Tories in the polls despite May's shambolic leadership and handling of Brexit. Not good enough and some of it has to be put down to Corbyn's own leadership.

YouGov | Voting Intention: Conservatives 41%, Labour 37% (8-9 Oct)

 

[Pickman's model]

not to mention deficiencies in the polling process

but there's only one poll that matters

 

[marty21]

Maybe May should call an election ? #whatcouldgowrong

 

[Deej92]

not to mention deficiencies in the polling process

but there's only one poll that matters

True. The polls have proven to be wrong before and can only ever give a small snapshot of what the British public really think.

However, it has to be worrying that the opposition languish behind a party whose message has become more tired than ever in their eight years in power. This is a government that have made a complete mess of Brexit, who have a weak leader who can't unite her own party never mind the country, and whose austerity and Universal Credit policy has inflicted misery on the poorest and most vulnerable in our society.

Labour should be all over this government but yet they're not and a big part of this for me is Corbyn himself. He languishes considerably behind May in who people could see as Prime Minister in the polls despite her incompetence and so does the party when it comes to trust over the economy. And despite the government tearing itself to pieces over Brexit, Labour have had their own internal battles with anti-semitism and have shown a complete lack of leadership on Brexit, when they should really be tearing into the government.

A shambles of a government and an opposition that isn't doing its job properly. Britain does find itself in a mess.

 

[Santino]

Do you want a Guardian column?

 

[Ax^]

shame Corbyn was not a remainer

saying that does he have to tear the government apart

Would be a shame to take the privilege away from themselves

 

[Deej92]

Do you want a Guardian column?

I'd happily have one. It's about where my world view is.

And Corbyn is no remainer.

 

[brogdale]

Labour trail the Tories in the polls despite May's shambolic leadership and handling of Brexit. Not good enough and some of it has to be put down to Corbyn's own leadership.

YouGov | Voting Intention: Conservatives 41%, Labour 37% (8-9 Oct)

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[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

True. The polls have proven to be wrong before and can only ever give a small snapshot of what the British public really think.

However, it has to be worrying that the opposition languish behind a party whose message has become more tired than ever in their eight years in power. This is a government that have made a complete mess of Brexit, who have a weak leader who can't unite her own party never mind the country, and whose austerity and Universal Credit policy has inflicted misery on the poorest and most vulnerable in our society.

Labour should be all over this government but yet they're not and a big part of this for me is Corbyn himself. He languishes considerably behind May in who people could see as Prime Minister in the polls despite her incompetence and so does the party when it comes to trust over the economy. And despite the government tearing itself to pieces over Brexit, Labour have had their own internal battles with anti-semitism and have shown a complete lack of leadership on Brexit, when they should really be tearing into the government.

A shambles of a government and an opposition that isn't doing its job properly. Britain does find itself in a mess.

Well this is certainly a hot new take that no one has considered before.

 

[cupid_stunt]

It's certainly unusual for an opposition party not to be doing better in the polls at this stage in the political cycle, especially with all the shite flying around, but I don't think it matters anymore, the polls have been so far out, too often now, to be bothered with.

 

[Pickman's model]

True. The polls have proven to be wrong before and can only ever give a small snapshot of what the British public really think.

However, it has to be worrying that the opposition languish behind a party whose message has become more tired than ever in their eight years in power. This is a government that have made a complete mess of Brexit, who have a weak leader who can't unite her own party never mind the country, and whose austerity and Universal Credit policy has inflicted misery on the poorest and most vulnerable in our society.

Labour should be all over this government but yet they're not and a big part of this for me is Corbyn himself. He languishes considerably behind May in who people could see as Prime Minister in the polls despite her incompetence and so does the party when it comes to trust over the economy. And despite the government tearing itself to pieces over Brexit, Labour have had their own internal battles with anti-semitism and have shown a complete lack of leadership on Brexit, when they should really be tearing into the government.

A shambles of a government and an opposition that isn't doing its job properly. Britain does find itself in a mess.

Yeh and as if to prove the point there's people like you making trite, banal and indeed facile points about polls on the Internet as though they were sharing something profound.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's certainly unusual for an opposition party not to be doing better in the polls at this stage in the political cycle, especially with all the shite flying around, but I don't think it matters anymore, the polls have been so far out, too often now, to be bothered with.

It's to do with climate change

 

[StoneRoad]

The "others / lib dem" vote is a significant chunk.

Interesting that the YG poll referenced actually has the tories dropping 1% labour gaining 1% as do "others" with the libdems unchanged ...

but the only poll that really means anything is the actual election - polling methodology can only give an impression, and there are a lot of errors included, not the least of which is "small sample" size compared to the overall electorate and the first past the post / constituency system ...

 

[Poi E]

Bloody Tories have no idea of the value of money. Clueless cunts are responsible for much of the national debt and borrow like fuck whenever they are in power, and are shit at paying down the debt (Hi, George). Quite how they got the reputation of economic literates I do not know.

 

[Deej92]

Yeh and as if to prove the point there's people like you making trite, banal and indeed facile points about polls on the Internet as though they were sharing something profound.

Just making the point that Labour should be doing better than they are and a big part of that for me is Corbyn.

Yes, they did better than most expected in the last election but they still didn't win it despite a hapless election campaign from May.

As a Labour voter, it pains me to see this.

 

[Pickman's model]

Just making the point that Labour should be doing better than they are and a big part of that for me is Corbyn.

Yes, they did better than most expected in the last election but they still didn't win it despite a hapless election campaign from May.

As a Labour voter, it pains me to see this.

good

 

[Deej92]

good

Why's it good?

 

[Pickman's model]

Why's it good?

i enjoy schadenfreude

 

[Deej92]

i enjoy schadenfreude

Or you're a Tory...

 

[cupid_stunt]

Or you're a Tory...

Ouch, (((Pickman's model)))

 

[Fez909]

Political polling

Corbyn's Time Is Up seems the more appropriate thread to me.

 

[Deej92]

i enjoy schadenfreude

Well good that you can engage in serious discussion...

 

[killer b]

hey Deej92 - if it seems no-one is taking you seriously, it's because we've had this exact conversation over and over and over for the last 3 years on the Jeremy Corbyn's time is up thread. I appreciate 792 pages is probably a lot to get through, but if you read any 5 pages at random you'll probably get the gist.

 

[Deej92]

hey Deej92 - if it seems no-one is taking you seriously, it's because we've had this exact conversation over and over and over for the last 3 years on the Jeremy Corbyn's time is up thread. I appreciate 792 pages is probably a lot to get through, but if you read any 5 pages at random you'll probably get the gist.

Thanks, killer b. Great help.

I'm new to this forum so wasn't aware of that.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well good that you can engage in serious discussion...

yeh well you've proved several times over you can't, that you fixate on a lack of capitals rather than what words say. even for a labour voter you show a remarkable inability to get to grips with content rather than form.

 

[Pickman's model]

i hope i make myself clear

 

[Deej92]

You do and it's all capital letters this time

 

[MickiQ]

The last picture needs a couple of exclamation marks for extra clarity

 

[Poi E]

Can't understand why they haven't sold off the leaky old building and moved somewhere better. Surely, it's in the national interest to have our politicians housed in a modern, air conditioned building in Sheffield.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

hey Deej92 - if it seems no-one is taking you seriously, it's because we've had this exact conversation over and over and over for the last 3 years on the Jeremy Corbyn's time is up thread. I appreciate 792 pages is probably a lot to get through, but if you read any 5 pages at random you'll probably get the gist.

You know what would mark this thread out from that one, the whole 792 pages of it? If Deej92 were to back up his admitted Guardian viewpoint with some argument as to what the Labour party should do instead with some evidence of why it would actually work, addressing the repeated failures of 'moderate' Labour over several elections, and explaining how his proposed new approach wouldn't fail for the exact same reasons. Instead of just pointing out that May is shit and Corbyn should do better and nothing more, which has indeed been done very much to death.