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Knife crime: Fatal stabbings at highest level since records began in 1946

I need to have a better look at the boxes before I decide I think. I am more bothered about kids only being expected to aspire to being sports stars and musicians than the way that message is being delivered tbh. It also perpetuates the same fast money, need to be famous dynamic that is a massive part of the problem for young people who lack confidence and do see any prospects.

The #knifefree poster campaign has been up around London for a while now. It uses a simalar approach. I"d prefer we didn't need either campaign, but we do.
 
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Regardless of the racist nature of this campaign, serious youth violence needs it like an industrial accident needs a sticking plaster.
 
Regardless of the racist nature of this campaign, serious youth violence needs it like an industrial accident needs a sticking plaster.
I disagree. I think we need to come at this and all the causes of it in every way possible. That said, this kind of nod towards caring campaign is pointless without dedicated investment and focus on the causes the of youth violence and making sure the youth from poorer communities have skills, options and the self belief that this is all there is for them. Nothing will change whilst they see their own lives and those or others as so 'cheap' and irrelevant.

Young people are notorious for seeing through the pretend to care limited commitment stuff too.
 
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I disagree. I think we need to come at this and all the causes of it in every way possible. That said, this kind of nod towards caring campaign is pointless without dedicated investment and focus on the causes the of youth violence and making sure the youth from poorer communities have skills, options and the self belief that this is all there is for them. Nothing will change whilst they see their own lives and those or others as so 'cheap' and irrelevant.

That's the point though, all those things have been cut, massively cut. Along with this government getting back to the rhetoric of us vs them, high prison rates 'justice' policy.

At the best of times (and divorced of the racial aspect) this would be... I think a pretty crap measure. It might have some limited utility, but realistically - if they got read at all - it would probably be a group of kids laughing at them. That story sounds fake, this guys sounds like a dick etc. Just because that's what kids do.

Given wider social and economic policy it's just an insult.
 
That's the point though, all those things have been cut, massively cut. Along with this government getting back to the rhetoric of us vs them, high prison rates 'justice' policy.

At the best of times (and divorced of the racial aspect) this would be... I think a pretty crap measure. It might have some limited utility, but realistically - if they got read at all - it would probably be a group of kids laughing at them. That story sounds fake, this guys sounds like a dick etc. Just because that's what kids do.

Given wider social and economic policy it's just an insult.

Well yeah, that I agree with that obviously. I do think education and awareness raising is important though. Regardless of whether some kids would laugh and banter and insult they are still taking it in. Others will think about why the campaign is necessary, it does start conversations. Even if those conversations lead to people focusing on on all the other shit that is needed but has been cut, it's worth it to some degree. People and communities do need to think, talk about and understand why all this is happening in terms of the meaningful lack in provision.

Does anyone here remember the 'pace setters don't smoke' campaign from the 70s/80s? Posters of athletes and such all over schools and health offices? Now that didn't stop me smoking but it has fucking plagued me all of my life. It did raise my awareness. I hear someone cough and involuntarily think 'pacesetters don't smoke'. I used to get out of breath when running for the bus and think 'pacesetters don't smoke'. We used to rip the piss at school and deface the posters with dicks and moustaches...I remember it though...fucking hook on repeat ever since in my head.

I noticed another billboard campaign in South London last week. It's #countylines I think. Just had a google and can see there are a few different ones around at the moment. What I liked about it was the young person was postitioned as the victim. The focus was on how they are being groomed and abused. Any ad campaign is going to have limited effect but I did think about how it is helpful to give people the language and a framework to be able to understand and communicate things that are happening to them and/or around them.
 
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Well yeah, that I agree with that obviously. I do think education and awareness raising is important though. Regardless of whether some kids would laugh and banter and insult they are still taking it in. Others will think about why the campaign is necessary, it does start conversations. Even if those conversations lead to people focusing on on all the other shit that is needed but has been cut, it's worth it to some degree. People and communities do need to think, talk about and understand why all this is happening in terms of the meaningful lack in provision.

Does anyone here remember the 'pace setters don't smoke' campaign from the 70s/80s? Posters of athletes and such all over schools and health offices? Now that didn't stop me smoking but it has fucking plagued me all of my life. It did raise my awareness. I hear someone cough and involuntarily think 'pacesetters don't smoke'. I used to get out of breath when running for the bus and think 'pacesetters don't smoke'. We used to rip the piss at school and deface the posters with dicks and moustaches...I remember it though...fucking hook on repeat ever since in my head.

I noticed another billboard campaign in South London last week. It's #countylines I think. Just had a google and can see there are a few different ones around at the moment. What I liked about it was the young person was postitioned as the victim. The focus was on how they are being groomed and abused. Any ad campaign is going to have limited effect but I did think about how it is helpful to give people the language and a framework to be able to understand and communicate things that are happening to them and/or around them.

I suppose for me the signature campaign of my youth (well, I think I was 19/20 when it came out) was FRANK. Which left a rather different impression. The thing with smoking is that in essence it is a very simple message - smoking kills, or at best fucks your lungs up. There's not really a great deal of complexity to it... It is right there, scientifically verifiable. And you can feel it.

Youth violence... it's your world. It isn't a thing that you could quit even if you wanted to. It surrounds you, it's there with you day in, day out. And seems like it will never go away... Even for me (middle class north London) it was just there, every walk home from school, trip to the shops, night time on the heath. Mugged/fights 10+ times, close calls no idea. I carried a knife at various points, eventually I realised it would do more harm than good and stopped. But yeah. A campaign like this would just have seemed... distant. I'm sure these kids know stories like this; a mate's older brother etc. But it has little effect on their everyday lived experience. It happens to other people, not me. And in the mean time you are going to have someone threaten you this month, you are at risk every time you cut across that park. So what do you do? Take comfort in the story on a fried chicken box? Or take comfort in the fantasy that next time that fuck punches you he'll get what's coming to him.

Right at the core of this is personal agency. A sense of control. And I think that can only come through mentoring. Someone older, but similar background. Someone who'll encourage you to rant about the injustices you're suffering, and not see you as weak if sometimes that drives you to tears. And along with that, opportunities, visible opportunities. Accessible opportunities. Watching people you know take them, knowing that there's a path out... A normal one, not just sport and music. Without that pretty much any campaign is just pissing in the wind.
 
I'm not saying that. Just that if it's more of an American thing, people in the UK are likely less familiar with it or, like me, completely unaware of it.
I've never heard of this before. :(

Are you familiar with this?

BBC Newsbeat's contribution to the end of 'Black History Month' 2016:

Newsbeat actually asked if black people like fried chicken

Home Office knife crime chicken shop campaign branded ‘embarrassing’ and ‘borderline racist’
 
It’s somewhat bizarre though (to me). If I ask my son, or his sister, or my nephew or niece what they want to eat I can guarantee the answer will be fried chicken from a takeaway over and above anything else.

Caveat: they’re not black.
 
When I lived in Brixton (1997 to 2011) I seem to remember there being more shootings in Morleys than stabbings. That might just be the way the news was reported. Yellow signs popped up about a shooting/murder that never even made it into the Evening standard.

Have the number of shootings decreased or is knife crime just more news worthy?
 
In Manchester the shootings were mainly between drug gangs . The knifings are ridiculous rivalries about post codes , wannabe gangsters and ironically fear of being stabbed.
 
Knives are easier to acquire.
Really I would never have worked that one out for myself. I was asking if gun crime/murder has decreased with the increase in knife crime or if they were unrelated or that the reporting of either offences has changed.
Sorry for being so thick.
 
Really I would never have worked that one out for myself. I was asking if gun crime/murder has decreased with the increase in knife crime or if they were unrelated or that the reporting of either offences has changed.
Sorry for being so thick.

I agree with 39's point above.
 
I suppose for me the signature campaign of my youth (well, I think I was 19/20 when it came out) was FRANK. Which left a rather different impression. The thing with smoking is that in essence it is a very simple message - smoking kills, or at best fucks your lungs up. There's not really a great deal of complexity to it... It is right there, scientifically verifiable. And you can feel it.
Yep I know, smoking kills, talk to frank etc etc. There was complexity to it though...some drugs weren't 'bad' in my eyes, life, culture. Science spoke and I knew it wasn't differentiating...I still took drugs. I calculated risk. I watched what was going on around me though and I learnt not to take the ones that 'did harm'. Just say no? I was in my 30's before I even tried brown, i'd never have injected though because of the sights and sounds of certain campaigns and of the people around me, the smackhead casualties from the estate. My own brother. The neighbour, etc.

Youth violence... it's your world. It isn't a thing that you could quit even if you wanted to. It surrounds you, it's there with you day in, day out. And seems like it will never go away... Even for me (middle class north London) it was just there, every walk home from school, trip to the shops, night time on the heath. Mugged/fights 10+ times, close calls no idea. I carried a knife at various points, eventually I realised it would do more harm than good and stopped. But yeah. A campaign like this would just have seemed... distant. I'm sure these kids know stories like this; a mate's older brother etc. But it has little effect on their everyday lived experience. It happens to other people, not me. And in the mean time you are going to have someone threaten you this month, you are at risk every time you cut across that park. So what do you do? Take comfort in the story on a fried chicken box? Or take comfort in the fantasy that next time that fuck punches you he'll get what's coming to him.

Not sure how old you are but my youth was pretty violent too in it's way but it wasn't at knife carrying levels. I am female though so for certain it was different. I spent most of my 20s and 30s expecting my younger brother to die; be killed by the police or someone known/unknown. I knew the privilege of being female and not being expected to deal with this shit though. I also have age on my side because it is certainly much harder for young women to avoid this shit now and of course...I only feared my little bro would be killed, far too many families know what that feels like now.

I haven't posted anything here that suggests there is comfort in a chicken box story...that really isn't what I have said. Of course not.

Right at the core of this is personal agency. A sense of control. And I think that can only come through mentoring. Someone older, but similar background. Someone who'll encourage you to rant about the injustices you're suffering, and not see you as weak if sometimes that drives you to tears. And along with that, opportunities, visible opportunities. Accessible opportunities. Watching people you know take them, knowing that there's a path out... A normal one, not just sport and music. Without that pretty much any campaign is just pissing in the wind.
Yep...exactly what I have said and the kinds of things I was referring to. All of it, from all sides.
 
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Are you familiar with this?


I've watched it yes.
A Metro article from three years ago? No.

I saw the Channel 4 thing earlier.

I'm not sure what your point (including italics) is? That I'm not familiar with a racial slur/stereotype emanating from the Southern States of America? I've already said as much. That I should be? That I am now? What? Spit it out.
 
So what has led to the fall in gun crime & the increase in knife crime?
Is it because one is in the kitchen drawer? Or is it intelligence led?

Postcode gang wars? Fucked if I know.
 
So what has led to the fall in gun crime & the increase in knife crime?
Is it because one is in the kitchen drawer? Or is it intelligence led?

Postcode gang wars? Fucked if I know.
knife crime isnt really up that much relatively speaking
the victims and perps are younger on average though I think

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That I'm not familiar with a racial slur/stereotype emanating from the Southern States of America? I've already said as much. That I should be? That I am now? What? Spit it out.

Stereotypes and slurs travel, just like people do. Fried chicken has also been a popular dish of people from throughout Africa and the Caribbean for as long too I imagine. There isn't anything deeper to it. That you hadn't heard it isn't the important issue here is it? No one expects you to know everything about everything. My link referred to America, the trope may have originated there, so what?
 
Stereotypes and slurs travel, just like people do. Fried chicken has also been a popular dish of people from throughout Africa and the Caribbean for as long too I imagine. There isn't anything deeper to it. That you hadn't heard it isn't the important issue here is it? No one expects you to know everything about everything. My link referred to America, the trope may have originated there, so what?
Well quite. I just wasn't sure what point GarveyLives was making which is why I asked the question.
 
There was shit on here about Usain Bolt eating chicken nuggets about 4 years back & was argued at the time. I know you would not see every post but am surprised it passed you by.
 
Some older white people got stabbed and got splashed on the front of papers this morning. One was even the main BBC article. The undeserving victims, other lives may be less worthy of attention. What does that tell us about society’s attitude towards poorer young victims? How can you expect people to value their lives and the lives of people around them if they’re continually overlooked and denigrated, the only solutions in patronising campaigns and longer jail sentences?
 
There was shit on here about Usain Bolt eating chicken nuggets about 4 years back & was argued at the time. I know you would not see every post but am surprised it passed you by.
A search for Usain and chicken doesn't bring that much up, much less than you suggest.
 
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