Keir Starmer's time is up

[Orang Utan]

heres what oddschecker has for next leader
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Clive Lewis has gone forom 500/1 to 33/1
you can get 60/1 for Zarah Sultana

i heard RIchard Burgon speak the other day, he seems alright.

I’ve met him several times and he’s a Yorkshire Tim Nice But Dim, a Rick But Thick if you will

 

[Pickman's model]

He's danced around the topic in interviews recently, so the answer is absolutely yes.

i wonder if he'll get a chance to show us his moves in strickly

 

[SpookyFrank]

Caption competition anyone?

And you want to call your mother and say, 'mother, I can never come home again, because I seem to have left an important part of my brain somewhere, somewhere in a field in Hampshire.'

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

But would he give his current job up and chuck his hat in the ring?

A little while ago (well pre-Covid so a fair while now) I saw Burnham in the pub at Euston Station with a posse of men in suits, presumably waiting for a train back to Manchester. Got to say the way he was holding court didn't look like a man with a small ego who just wants to achieve the most for people.

 

[ska invita]

I’ve met him several times and he’s a Yorkshire Tim Nice But Dim, a Rick But Thick if you will

cant argue with your experience but that seems a bit harsh, seems like a normal person to me

 

[BobDavis]

No
he seemed like an okay human being though

I would agree. I have heard him in interviews but not a possible PM. Probably the Labour leader who might actually manage to become PM after the next ge is unlikely to be approved of by urban.

 

[JTG]

Confirmed - Liverpool mayor selections being reopened and previous candidates not being invited to apply. So the all-woman shortlist has been binned. Anna Rothery, who is black and on the left, was the favourite to win the nomination

 

[ska invita]

Confirmed - Liverpool mayor selections being reopened and previous candidates not being invited to apply. So the all-woman shortlist has been binned. Anna Rothery, who is black and on the left, was the favourite to win the nomination

Chilling
"We are committed to ensuring members are able to choose the right candidate to stand up against the Conservatives, lead Liverpool out of the coronavirus crisis and fight for the resources that the city desperately needs."

 

[NoXion]

 

[hitmouse]

i heard RIchard Burgon speak the other day, he seems alright.

I was once at an event where Andy Burham was one of the scheduled speakers, and when I listened to him speak I thought "fair play, there's a lot I don't like about the man but he's definitely a better speaker than I expected." Then after he finished I realised I can't tell Labour MPs apart and I'd actually been listening to Richard Burgon, Burnham was on after him and was exactly as dull as I expected. So, good news for Burgon among the crucial "not being able to remember what Labour politicians look like" demographic there.

 

[ska invita]

I was once at an event where Andy Burham was one of the scheduled speakers, and when I listened to him speak I thought "fair play, there's a lot I don't like about the man but he's definitely a better speaker than I expected." Then after he finished I realised I can't tell Labour MPs apart and I'd actually been listening to Richard Burgon, Burnham was on after him and was exactly as dull as I expected. So, good news for Burgon among the crucial "not being able to remember what Labour politicians look like" demographic there.

yes burnham is dull and mopey as anything - i cant see him winning an election, but i can see his face once the count is in and he realises he's lost

 

[ska invita]

Confirmed - Liverpool mayor selections being reopened and previous candidates not being invited to apply. So the all-woman shortlist has been binned. Anna Rothery, who is black and on the left, was the favourite to win the nomination

theres got to be repercussion's here, this is taking the living piss

 

[steveseagull]

So can the CLPs just nominate the same three candidates and flick the bird to David Evans? Not sure how the process works. Whatever, this is appalling and is goign to go down like a sack of shit with the BAME MPs that backed her (most of them)

 

[teqniq]

Maybe this was tweeted before the above unwelcome news?



Lots of support in the replies, people advising her to stand as an independent

 

[The39thStep]

Seriously? You can imagine people listening to him and going 'yeah, I'll vote for him as PM'??

Burgon is enthusiastic, some of his politics are ok but some of his stuff is flimsy and dire riddled with Labour lib/ lefty ism . He's a solicitor so he can speak but very little substance imo. Also, do we really need another bloody solicitor ?

 

[Pickman's model]

I was once at an event where Andy Burham was one of the scheduled speakers, and when I listened to him speak I thought "fair play, there's a lot I don't like about the man but he's definitely a better speaker than I expected." Then after he finished I realised I can't tell Labour MPs apart and I'd actually been listening to Richard Burgon, Burnham was on after him and was exactly as dull as I expected. So, good news for Burgon among the crucial "not being able to remember what Labour politicians look like" demographic there.

 

[The39thStep]

But would he give his current job up and chuck his hat in the ring?

First of all there would have to be some significant momentum ( not the studenty lot) for a leadership challenge and I don't see where that is coming from. Secondly in his interviews he does prevaricate a lot,I think his head says maybe and his heart maybe not. He makes a lot of sense when he talks about being more comfortable on a regional level, he mentions 'place' a lot. His support would undoubtedly come from the North especially from the Labour membership and the councils over his prominence in the levelling up debate, I'm sure he'd attract union leadership support but as I say where is the impetus for him to stand and it might be by the time Starmer goes at the next election that his time has passed. As a speaker he actually isn't bad, he's not a firebrand but he is thoughtful, measured, spars well and certainly isn't taken as a fool.

 

[brogdale]

Burgon is enthusiastic, some of his politics are ok but some of his stuff is flimsy and dire riddled with Labour lib/ lefty ism . He's a solicitor so he can speak but very little substance imo. Also, do we really need another bloody solicitor ?

I can't hear his name without thinking about when he stood in for Corbyn in the ITV "leaders' debate" at the last GE and got owned by the fucking Plaid Cymru bloke; remember the face?

 

[steveseagull]

Legal action klaxon. They will have more legal cases than members before long

 

[JTG]

It's basically because she got endorsed by Corbyn, that's why they're blowing it up. That and they think they'll get away with it because they're taking Liverpool for granted

 

[killer b]

they probably will get away with it tbf

 

[cantsin]

It's basically because she got endorsed by Corbyn, that's why they're blowing it up. That and they think they'll get away with it because they're taking Liverpool for granted

- V much hoping Ann stands as independent socialist if needed, hopefully with ( Independent ? ) Momentum backing
- (Bristol Momentum have taken initial steps by starting #campaignstrike in response to HQ piss take re: Bristol West CLP)

 

[Orang Utan]

Burgon is enthusiastic, some of his politics are ok but some of his stuff is flimsy and dire riddled with Labour lib/ lefty ism . He's a solicitor so he can speak but very little substance imo. Also, do we really need another bloody solicitor ?

He’s just not a very good media player - have seen him struggling to answer very slightly challenging questions by not particularly adept local tv journalists. He’d get torn apart by full on media scrutiny

 

[JTG]

• V much hoping Ann stands as independent socialist if needed, hopefully with ( Independent ? ) Momentum backing
• (Bristol Momentum have taken initial steps by starting #campaignstrike in response to HQ piss take re: Bristol West CLP)

Twitter rumour has her considering standing for the Northern Independence Party

 

[killer b]

Anyone reckon she's got the kind of profile to pull off an independent run? I was reading earlier that her national reputation as a leftwinger is not shared among leftwingers in Liverpool itself...

 

[The39thStep]

Twitter rumour has her considering standing for the Northern Independence Party

Well they invited her to join but that's about it . She tweeted that she was considering legal action.

 

[The39thStep]

Anyone reckon she's got the kind of profile to pull off an independent run? I was reading earlier that her national reputation as a leftwinger is not shared among leftwingers in Liverpool itself...

Which left wingers are they?

 

[agricola]

Anyone reckon she's got the kind of profile to pull off an independent run? I was reading earlier that her national reputation as a leftwinger is not shared among leftwingers in Liverpool itself...

TBF I don't think that will matter; if they do impose someone (especially someone ridiculous) as the official LP candidate then the city will probably vote for someone who was banned from the contest instead, just to spite them.

It is a fantastic city, with fantastic people, and a big part of the reason for their general soundness is that they rarely put up with people who take the piss like that.

 

[killer b]

Which left wingers are they?

Didn't get any names sorry - some chat on Owen Hatherley's TL, he's usually reasonably reliable IME

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Caption competition anyone?