I've never read any theories on class so you'll have to forgive me but are you saying that if Julie, works on the tills at Tesco, became best friends with Jane, barrister then Julie would leave her working class status behind?
So if you work with working class people you're working class, is that what you mean?
Not exactly, apart from anything else that'd be a bit circular, it's closer to "if you work for a living you're working class". When I say "social relationship" in the context of arguments about class, perhaps "power relationship" would be a clearer term - if you spend most of your working day taking orders from other people you're working class, if you spend most of your working day giving orders to other people you're a boss, kind of thing.
Interesting. Power makes more sense to me. I will come back on the rest when it has percolated through.
Anyway, on the action itself, I'm pretty firmly on the fence. I can't really claim to be particularly upset by some soup getting on some glass, but at the same time it would be nice if they did something a bit more materially disruptive to actual fossil fuel infrastructure? The conspiracy theories are obviously stupid though.
This seems a bit more like the kind of thing everyone can get behind, got a lot less publicity though:
Fair point, but I was trying to give a short one-sentence definition of what class as a social relationship means and not spend all day writing a more accurate post that would be unreadably long. Can you come up with an equally concise but more accurate way of putting it? (That's not a dig or a snarky rhetorical question, I think clear and simple introductions to these kinds of concepts are a good thing and I'd like to see more of them, if you can think of a better one I may well nick it and use it in future.)
Well, while I posted it on this thread it's not actually a JSO action, so the "one demand" point is less relevant here. Arguably that's on me for posting it on this thread when it's not a JSO action, but when we have existing XR and JSO threads, setting up a third thread for "actions against fossil fuel infrastructure taken by anonymous activists not affiliated with any named group" would seem a bit redundant.
Go on then, what targets do you have in mind? Hopefully not Sunflowers, that's already been done.
Anyway, on the action itself, I'm pretty firmly on the fence. I can't really claim to be particularly upset by some soup getting on some glass, but at the same time it would be nice if they did something a bit more materially disruptive to actual fossil fuel infrastructure? The conspiracy theories are obviously stupid though.
This seems a bit more like the kind of thing everyone can get behind, got a lot less publicity though:
Just Stop Oil are funded by the Climate Emergency Fund, which was founded by Aileen Getty, who comes from an oil money family. Which could mean that there are some individual people who are born into rich and powerful families who feel bad about it and give (some of) their money away to good causes, or it could mean that anyone who uses any tactics that I don't personally approve of is actually a false flag stooge of capital and the state. Feel free to apply Occam's Razor here. I'm also not convinced that Marx being funded by Big Cotton tells you much about the content of Marxism, really.
Yeah, I really shouldn't be surprised by this point, but it is always disappointing to see how quickly people jump to "these people did something I personally disagree with therefore they must be working for the enemy" rather than "these people did something I disagree with, perhaps some of their perspectives on how to achieve our shared goals are different to mine."
I wonder if there's any difference between Shell as an institution and an individual who happened to be born into a wealthy family with oil money?
