Just Stop Oil

[edcraw]

New tactic!*



*of course Fathers for Justice we’re using drill music as a tactic back in 2003

 

[LDC]

Ban all new drilling!

Sorry.

 

[Rob Ray]

Keep jungles massive!

 

[edcraw]

Imagine a JSO protest where these drivers don't toot in anger but toot in support as they go by, like with the firefighter picket lines etc. A protest that engenders that sort of response might actually be effective at influencing policy. But apparently carrying on with the current tired format is fine because group solidarity and awareness-raising or something.

Just seen them in person & you’ll be pleased to hear that lots of drivers were rooting their horns in support!

 

[Karl Masks]

Seems pretty effective to me. Lots of sound and fury about it. And look how angry people like you are getting. That anger is exactly what they want.

You really misunderstand the nature of disruptive action if you think it’s about doing something and then directly getting what you want in response. You really misunderstand the nature of disruptive action if you think it’s about persuading unbelievers that you are correct. You really misunderstand the nature of disruptive action if you think it’s about quick wins or individuals.

You really misunderstand the nature of disruptive action.

People like me? What are you talking about?

 

[Orang Utan]

People like me? What are you talking about?

Hard to believe isn’t it?

 

[Pickman's model]

People like me?

now that i cannot believe

 

[platinumsage]

People like me? What are you talking about?

Are you working class perhaps?

 

[Rob Ray]

a) Citation needed on the class makeup of JSO, because afaik there's never been a single survey or statistical analysis done on the subject.
b) The Daily Mail is just about the most anti-working class rag out there, where is your outrage at them (as opposed to screengrabbing their headlines) Mr Working Class Hero?
c) The idea that their point and right to protest is somehow invalidated by being middle class is a (fucking stupid and incredibly obvious) propaganda tactic from (uniformly middle class) writers in the national press, and you should be ashamed to have fallen for it for more than half a second, let alone repeated it.

 

[DotCommunist]

uniformly middle class) writers

and not p/b either. Inherited the furniture haut booj cunts ventriloquising their own reactionary fury through the mouths of the working class. Because we speak with one voice ofc

 

[platinumsage]

a) Citation needed on the class makeup of JSO, because afaik there's never been a single survey or statistical analysis done on the subject.
b) The Daily Mail is just about the most anti-working class rag out there, where is your outrage at them (as opposed to screengrabbing their headlines) Mr Working Class Hero?
c) The idea that their point and right to protest is somehow invalidated by being middle class is a (fucking stupid and incredibly obvious) propaganda tactic from (uniformly middle class) writers in the national press, and you should be ashamed to have fallen for it for more than half a second, let alone repeated it.

woosh

 

[Rob Ray]

woosh

No I got it, "people like you" meaning working class people, because in your view JSO aren't appealing to working class people. You weren't being particularly clever or anything. Except your screenshot was actually about performative middle class outrage masquerading as the voice of working class people.

 

[Dystopiary]

The "all MC" accusation was thrown at road protestors. It was bullshit. Sure it was the voices of posher protestors that tended to be featured on the news (of course), but they were far from the only people there, and they weren't the only ones speaking about what they were doing and why.

 

[ddraig]

It's an easy attack and furthering of divide and rule which works as a lot of people fall for it, including a fair few here

 

[Rob Ray]

Any complaints over disrupting upper class scum?

Just Stop Oil protesters interrupt opera at Glyndebourne festival

Three activists use glitter cannons and air horns during performance of Poulenc’s Dialogues des Carmélites

www.theguardian.com

 

[LDC]

No complaints for that bit of it, but I do think it's still a shit political strategy tbh.

 

[Pickman's model]

Any complaints over disrupting upper class scum?

Just Stop Oil protesters interrupt opera at Glyndebourne festival

Three activists use glitter cannons and air horns during performance of Poulenc’s Dialogues des Carmélites

www.theguardian.com

Yes, it doesn't happen often enough

 

[Flavour]

What would you have them do if you were strategy chief for JSO, LDC ? Honest question

 

[LDC]

What would you have them do if you were strategy chief for JSO, LDC ? Honest question

Been at work all day. It's a good and fair question, will give answering it a go over the weekend Flavour.

 

[kabbes]

One of the ways that JSO are successful is that by providing an “extreme” bogeyman for people to hate, they open the space for individuals to come together and agree on less extreme compromises. “We all agree that we’re nothing like THOSE irresponsible malcontents, which means that we are reasonable, so we can reasonably agree to concessions”. JSO are acting as “outriders” to the system, in other words.

This works. The conversation shifts even while those conversing loudly decry those they view as extremists.

 

[platinumsage]

upper class scum?

There we go, let it out.

 

[platinumsage]

The degree of post-rationalisation on this thread is pretty epic. Any more ideas as to how exactly JSO are going to save the world?

 

[Rob Ray]

There we go, let it out.

It was satirising your screen grab

 

[Orang Utan]

The degree of post-rationalisation on this thread is pretty epic. Any more ideas as to how exactly JSO are going to save the world?

I’m just delighted that they annoy smug supercilious cunts like you

 

[platinumsage]

It was satirising your screen grab

Yes, that was referring to the post that KM was responding to, nvm though

 

[platinumsage]

I’m just delighted that they annoy smug supercilious cunts like you

I'm not annoyed by them at all, I just think they're wrong.

 

[Rob Ray]

Yes, that was referring to the post that KM was responding to, nvm though

"Let it out" is talking about my motivations though, not KM's or anyone else's.

Honestly I don't know why you keep doing this to yourself.

 

[redsquirrel]

I’m just delighted that they annoy smug supercilious cunts like you

+1 If nothing else I'm willing to give them serious props for this.

 

[Rob Ray]

Any more ideas as to how exactly JSO are going to save the world?

That's quite a lot of responsibility to place on a campaign group. Has anyone done so?

Or is it actually that you're annoyed people have repeatedly shown you up for talking bollocks rather than just stroke your ego, so you're continually picking at this thread like a kid at a scab?

I'm not annoyed by them at all

Lol.

 

[Orang Utan]

I'm not annoyed by them at all, I just think they're wrong.