Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
No I didn’t. Try again. Do it really slowly maybe?
Just Stop Oil
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Starry Wisdom
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Orang Utan
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Starry Wisdom
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Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
Lol you’re wrong, you know you are and you resort to insult proving my point rather than admit it. Love it
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
And yet you're still to explain how I'm wrong. Because saying actually look at how much you post here and whinge about how you're being treated, clearly you do care about people's opinions "of you" (Lol you’re wrong, you know you are and you resort to insult proving my point rather than admit it. Love it
), is exactly the same argument, and you have no response that invalidates it.I'm not "resorting" to insults, I'm insulting you because you're being obnoxious and wilfully dense, thus breaking the tacit agreement of all forums that respect needs to go both ways. Acting like a prick to everyone around you means you get treated in kind, whining about this is just an additional layer of disingenuous tripe, like a kid who starts fights and then goes crying to teacher about the other kids being mean. Except you're actually a grown adult.
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ska invita
back on the other side
Threads too long so haven't read all, may already have been said but it looks like Labour are adopting a policy that meets JSOs demand, namely stopping new oil extraction, in favour of renewables.
Think there's an insulation policy too. Good chance of this being enacted.
Some credit has to go to JSO and Insulate Britain
Think there's an insulation policy too. Good chance of this being enacted.
Some credit has to go to JSO and Insulate Britain
BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
British Museum also dropping thier links to BP. Not sure that JSO directly targeted this, but it's the same sort of pressure groups that have been pushing it.
Haven't really read about Labour yet.
ska invita
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Yes the BP greenwash campaign was a different bunch, but has clearly succeeded.
as I say i haven't read the thread from last few days properly but I did catch quite a few people saying These Campaigns Dont Work, why dont they get a job doing xyz, waste of time, virtue signalling etc etc.... Clearly to some extent they do work, and have worked - theres a long historical record to draw on.
ska invita
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one of the most on point criticisms of XR is that the demands are too broad and too unachievable, so you can't acutally 'win' your campaign. These splinter groups like Just Stop Oil and Insulate Britain seem to have taken this on board and decided to campaign on smaller achievable goals - and it appears to be a tactic that is working
ska invita
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interestingly the Tories are using this as an attack line
expect to hear this a lot before the next election
Just Stop Oil eco-zealots writing Labour energy policy - Sunak
Labour dismisses the idea Just Stop Oil supporters are influencing policy,
www.bbc.co.uk
the article quotes are a great example of the madness of modern parliamentary politics
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
It isn't, no.
If the protestors where corralling a random group of pedestrians on the pavement, who would be the reasonable ones?
By their own admission they're not protesting against traffic, or seeking an immediate end to driving, so the fact that the people on the receiving end are in vehicles doesn't change that reasonableness.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
That'll definitely be more effective. A real game changer.
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HaveMyPassword123
Imagine a JSO protest where these drivers don't toot in anger but toot in support as they go by, like with the firefighter picket lines etc. A protest that engenders that sort of response might actually be effective at influencing policy. But apparently carrying on with the current tired format is fine because group solidarity and awareness-raising or something.
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Starry Wisdom
It's not really a new tactic is it
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I agree, I do think that's totally the wrong tactic and direction to go down.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
It’s a new tactic for JSO, but Reclaim the Streets were doing that way back when.
Thank you for the correction. I will make sure to make the point that I’m talking about JSO next time I’m posting in this JSO thread!
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Meant to quote Pickman’s as I knew what you meant.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I disagree. The whole point of the JSO tactic is to slow traffic down to create disruption. RTS had street parties and the point was the creation of a different type of space, not to disrupt or slow traffic which was incidental to the wider event.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
But not both a tactic, one it's the point, one it's incidental. It's an important difference.
Ad actually no not both causing major disruption, once a party is established it's pretty easy to re-route the traffic.
mojo pixy
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IME the disruption of RTS wasn't just incidental, it was actually part of the point.
And actually I think JSO has a better point - not just reclaiming the space, but specifically aiming to create inconvenience and disruption ... because the inconvenience and disruption when climate change really starts to bite will make a few blocked roads seem like a picnic. And you can't fight the weather, so lol what then?
And actually I think JSO has a better point - not just reclaiming the space, but specifically aiming to create inconvenience and disruption ... because the inconvenience and disruption when climate change really starts to bite will make a few blocked roads seem like a picnic. And you can't fight the weather, so lol what then?
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
For those cars in that clip who look like they’re trying to go past on the pavement… action has been taken locally against drivers trying similar manoeuvres
Dashcam footage shows careless driving incidents
Police said a record number of actions were taken against drivers in 2022 thanks to dashcam footage.
www.bbc.co.uk
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