Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Treacle Toes]

'Wasteman'?

Worthless/waste of space. Yoot speak.

 

[treelover]

potential dodgyness from my MP

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Utterly incredible from Rob Marris <a href="Rob Marris MP (@WSW_Labour) on Twitter">@WSW_Labour</a> / seemingly deleted files of huge importance to sabotage leadership &gt; <a href="Aaron Bastani on Twitter">pic.twitter.com/WNFWW4IYru</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Bastani (@AaronBastani) <a href="">July 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Looks appalling.

 

[gawkrodger]

this is the article Bastani's screenshot is from

Jeremy Corbyn aides refuse Tom Watson one-on-one meeting

 

[Sue]

this is the article Bastani's screenshot is from

Jeremy Corbyn aides refuse Tom Watson one-on-one meeting

Good. Fuck him

On an slightly related note. Was meeting a friend earlier, got there a bit early, all the people next to me had been on a march in central London. All the talk was about Corbyn and the fuckers in the PLP.

Friend arrived. I've known her for twenty years and she's not really into politics. Within five minutes she was going on about the fuckers in the PLP.

A common theme seems to be emerging...

 

[killer b]

Worthless/waste of space. Yoot speak.

Yeah, I know. I was wondering why the fuck Kid_Eternity was posting it tbh. From his iPhone.

 

[Libertad]

From The Dictator Spectator. Apologies if it's already been posted. The last paragraph is a belter.
Why Jeremy Corbyn is absolutely right not to resign as Labour leader | Coffee House

Worth quoting as it goes:

Jeremy Corbyn was, under this system, elected Leader of the Labour Party by almost 60 per cent of the party membership. Yesterday the general secretaries of ten of the country’s largest trade unions pledged their continued confidence in Corbyn as Leader. If Labour MPs find this state of affairs uncomfortable, it is always open to them to resign their parliamentary seats and fight by-elections on this issue. That would be an honourable way out. If they recoil from this prospect, a period of silence on their parts would be very welcome.

 

[Vintage Paw]

er, you sure? Surely their mandate comes from the manifesto they put to the public? My understanding since the days of the Militant is that Labour MPs are not beholden to their CLPs. That's why there is no reselection option.

They answer to their CLP members. Those are the people who select them, and are responsible for their reselection. The wider electorate are, more or less, electing "the Labour candidate," and the membership decide who that candidate should be. Labour represent the electorate, and the MP is answerable to the membership. Of course, how things work in the minds of voters, and probably how it should be more generally speaking, is that the MP answers to them. But technically that's not the case.

Edit:

Someone else puts it better than me:

It's that hoary old chestnut again: "Labour MPs have a greater mandate than Corbyn." They don't. Likewise Tory MPs don't have a greater mandate than Dave or whoever their new leader is going to be. In our delightful electoral system, each individual constituency elects a member to represent them in Parliament. On paper, the electorate are sovereign. But substantively, they're not: parties are. As has been the case ever since political parties emerged, the majority of members returned are successful candidates of a particular party. If a seat happens to be 'safe', which just so happens to comprise the majority of seats at Westminster, then the only way of removing an incumbent MP against their will is not by standing a candidate in election but removing them through an internal selection process. The majority of MPs might pretend they represent the constituency, but it's the organisation in that patch which is really sovereign, and this can be confirmed in two simple ways. First, how many MPs now sitting in the Commons would be there were it not for the party label. All of them? Half? A handful? And that applies pretty much across political divides. Second, if the party isn't really sovereign then why the abject horror whenever mandatory selection becomes a topic of debate? Yes, it might be a recipe for chaos and internal warfare as incumbents and challengers constantly scrap it out for the Westminster spoils, but that itself underlines the real repository of power in our electoral system. Woe betide any MP who really believes the waffle about personal mandates and so on.

 

[MochaSoul]

Loving this one:

 

[DotCommunist]

ello mocha, nice to see you back. Worlds gone mad.

 

[DotCommunist]

RICKROLLED well go away again

 

[MochaSoul]

ello mocha, nice to see you back.

I'm never too far. It's just that sometimes words seem to leave me so I sit at the table in silence as others say a lot that I'd like to say or open my eyes and ears to that which I didn't think to think.

Worlds gone mad.

We've been due the nadir of the Roman Empire for a while now. I say: Let the herd revolt and get that over and done with.

RICKROLLED well go away again

If you gotta be rickrolled this is not a bad way for it to happen. But hey, at least you got the joke. It was a job explaining all facets of it to my mum. I'm filled with a renewed appreciation for being (and feeling) heard.

Anyhoo! I suppose I found the video a lighthearted way of saying I don't think JC's time is up. He's fought perceived lost causes all of his life. It will take a lot more than 172 vultures to fell him.

 

[nino_savatte]

Another Gilligoon smear job.

However, like many on the hard Left, he had a highly privileged upbringing, attending the Dragon School, Oxford, one of the top prep schools in England, then Winchester College, also the alma mater of Seumas Milne – Mr Corbyn’s press spokesman,
James Schneider: face of Momentum activists - with education and childhood home 'paid for by fraud'

 

[cantsin]

Another Gilligoon smear job.

Said it before, but just not sure Schneiders the right person to have upfront for Momentum - would much prefer to have Mat Wrack (FBU) as the media spokesman, really impressed with him in the last week or so .

 

[newbie]

They answer to their CLP members. Those are the people who select them, and are responsible for their reselection. The wider electorate are, more or less, electing "the Labour candidate," and the membership decide who that candidate should be. Labour represent the electorate, and the MP is answerable to the membership. Of course, how things work in the minds of voters, and probably how it should be more generally speaking, is that the MP answers to them. But technically that's not the case.

Edit:

Someone else puts it better than me:

what you say may have some practical relevance but is not the 'technical' position. While the CLP does select candidates and nod through the 'trigger' reselection process, the labour party does not 'represent the electorate' and an MP is not 'answerable to the membership'. That would be a delegate not a representative.



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as for your quote, this bit is nonsense: "the only way of removing an incumbent MP against their will is not by standing a candidate in election but removing them through an internal selection process." (ignoring bankruptcy and crime and so on) an incumbent MP can only be removed by the electorate during an election. A CLP that deselects risks losing the election to the former MP running as an independent.

Whatever the practical politics need to keep the relationship between MP and CLP cosy, in the event of a dispute the CLP cannot force the MP to be answerable, therefor they're not. That's pretty much the fundament of representative democracy.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Shirley Williams has just said that Corbyn is in hock to the SWP! If she believes that she is a fool. If she doesn't then she's a liar. Her comments were echoed by Edwina Curry. Perhaps this is the latest anti-Corbyn tactic that will be employed?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Lord Camomile]

Kinnock Snr on The Marr Show says those who voted for Corbyn have to ask if they want to see their principles enacted through democratic power, implication being Corbyn can't achieve that.

Of course, completely missing the point that neither can any of the other likely candidates, as regardless of their abaility to win any GE they won't have anything approaching the principles Corbyn's supporters are looking for.

 

[quimcunx]

On that narrow point Corbyn can enact my principles even if he doesn't win an election by holding the tories to account and providing an opposition to them that the 172 can't or won't provide.

 

[William of Walworth]

Kinnock Snr on The Marr Show says those who voted for Corbyn have to ask if they want to see their principles enacted through democratic power, implication being Corbyn can't achieve that.

Of course, completely missing the point that neither can any of the other likely candidates, as regardless of their abaility to win any GE they won't have anything approaching the principles Corbyn's supporters are looking for.

This factor hasn't been paid any attention in the media. Are any other leadership candidates electoral gold? Of course not.

 

[Lord Camomile]

On that narrow point Corbyn can enact my principles even if he doesn't win an election by holding the tories to account and providing an opposition to them that the 172 can't or won't provide.

Well, quite. Sadly the majority of Labour MPs think being an effective opposition means simply sitting in different seats to the Government.

 

[Tankus]

dunno if mentioned ...but down in OZ

Labour sources suggested that there was no way Corbyn, a veteran peace campaigner, would be prepared to stand down before Wednesday and pass up the opportunity to denounce Blair from the dispatch box and TV studios.
The Labour leader will go to Downing Street to read the 2.6m-word Chilcot report on Tuesday in advance of its release and will lead the party’s response. He has suggested in the past that Blair should be in the dock and aides say he is prepared to repeat that claim.
“He won’t resign until after he gets to crucify Blair over Chilcot,” one Labour source said.
“He’s going to say that Blair’s a full-on war criminal. He’s very interested by this Salmond idea that you get 12 people calling for him to be extradited to the Hague. He thinks that will fire up Momentum.”
A prominent Labour MP said he had also learnt that Corbyn wanted to accuse Blair of war crimes but warned that he might be sued by the former prime minister if he did.
“Corbyn will say it in parliament and then he’s planning to address anti-war rallies outside. He’ll have to be careful because if he calls him a war criminal outside the chamber, where he’s got parliamentary immunity, Blair could set the lawyers on him and bankrupt him.”
Salmond, the former Scottish first minister and current SNP foreign affairs spokesman in Westminster, intends to reassemble a cross-party parliamentary group - centred on Scottish and Welsh nationalist MPs - that launched a campaign 10 years ago to have Blair impeached.
This time, he plans to submit evidence to the office of the prosecutor at the ICC asking for an indictment against Blair for “crimes of aggression” - if Chilcot finds that he gave pledges to George W Bush to join a war against Saddam Hussein a year before the invasion.

Blairites left their attack to late to protect their man
Corbyn gets his moment of glory at the head of a demo ...which he will have "owned"

Nocookies

 

[butchersapron]

The 172 back stabbers have been dis-inivited from the Durham Miners Gala - and watson is being replaced as speaker by Dennis Skinner.

 

[Dandred]

Jeremy Corbyn’s peace deal is a political masterstroke

The Labour Party is big – very nearly the biggest socialist party in Europe – but not as big as its leader, it seems.

After a week of backstabbing, psychological warfare, calumny and threats, Jeremy Corbyn has offered rebel Labour MPs a chance to come back into the fold and help forge a new relationship with the European Union after the vote for Brexit on June 23.

It is a huge, symbolic gesture – an offer of amnesty for all, despite the bitterness of the past seven days. Anyone capable of that deserves huge respect, even from those who don’t agree.

Mr Corbyn said the party must work with respect for the British people’s democratic decision – and added that MPs must also respect the democratic decision of the Labour membership to make him the party’s leader.

I am ready to reach out to Labour MPs who didn’t accept my election and oppose my leadership – and work with the whole party to provide the alternative the country needs.

But they also need to respect the democracy of our party and the views of Labour’s membership, which has increased by more than 60,000 in the past week alone.

Our priority must be to mobilise this incredible force to oppose the Tories, and ensure people in Britain have a real political alternative.

Those who want to challenge my leadership are free to do so in a democratic contest, in which I will be a candidate.

But the responsibility of our whole party is to stand up in united opposition to the Tory Government – and in support of decent jobs and pay, affordable housing, rights at work and an economy that works for all.

The whole country needs Labour to heal the divisions of the referendum campaign and offer a winning alternative to the Tories at the next election – whenever it comes.

It is a masterstroke – forcing the rebel MPs to face the fact that they are threatening democracy on two levels and offering them a chance to reconsider, before it is too late.

It is also an ultimatum: Co-operate or challenge.

In the background, the ever-growing ranks of the Labour membership are watching.

And they won’t be as magnanimous as Mr Corbyn if the backstabbers don’t back down.

 

[gawkrodger]

this is the article Bastani's screenshot is from

Jeremy Corbyn aides refuse Tom Watson one-on-one meeting

So Rob Marris has now stated he did delete documents as claimed, but that they were 'his'

a) not quite sure how that works
b) irrelevant of who the information 'belongs' to, if he deleted information which was to be used in the fight against the TU bill he's a cunt

 

[Wilf]

this is the article Bastani's screenshot is from

Jeremy Corbyn aides refuse Tom Watson one-on-one meeting

If true, it's hard to deny that bits of that are very damaging to Corbyn:

Jeremy Corbyn’s aides are refusing to let Labour deputy leader Tom Watson hold a one-to-one meeting with him, claiming that Watson will try to “bully” the leader into resigning.

A senior Labour source, close to the embattled leader, said they had blocked Watson from talking privately to Corbyn because they have a “duty of care”. “They [Watson’s aides] want Watson to be on his own with Corbyn so that he can jab his finger at him,” the source said.

“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care … This is not a one-off. There is a culture of bullying. Maybe it’s a Blairite/Brownite thing.”

However, I guess the trick is in the wording - "a senior source, close to the leader". Vague enough to actually be an opponent recycling and plumping up a rumour to portray Corbyn as weak. The use of 'close to' and 'we' later on in the quote, by all normal uses of English and reporting conventions, imply it really is someone in the Corbyn camp who has said all this. So, it's either a case of the guardian being massively dishonest ( ), or some corbyn courtier being utterly naive.

 

[killer b]

The latest narrative that they're pushing hard is Corbyn as a weak, tired old man who's had enough, held captive at the top of the party by his Stalinist circle. It's all nonsense.

 

[YouSir]

The latest narrative that they're pushing hard is Corbyn as a weak, tired old man who's had enough, held captive at the top of the party by his Stalinist circle. It's all nonsense.

Not even well executed. One day he's an extremist destroying the party, next he's antisemitic and now he's a broken old man. As with a leadership candidate they're incapable of sticking with a coherent line.

 

[Vintage Paw]

The 172 back stabbers have been dis-inivited from the Durham Miners Gala - and watson is being replaced as speaker by Dennis Skinner.

Ah, 'disinvited.' Are we against no platforming these days or for it.

 

[Cid]

what you say may have some practical relevance but is not the 'technical' position. While the CLP does select candidates and nod through the 'trigger' reselection process, the labour party does not 'represent the electorate' and an MP is not 'answerable to the membership'. That would be a delegate not a representative.


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as for your quote, this bit is nonsense: "the only way of removing an incumbent MP against their will is not by standing a candidate in election but removing them through an internal selection process." (ignoring bankruptcy and crime and so on) an incumbent MP can only be removed by the electorate during an election. A CLP that deselects risks losing the election to the former MP running as an independent.

Whatever the practical politics need to keep the relationship between MP and CLP cosy, in the event of a dispute the CLP cannot force the MP to be answerable, therefor they're not. That's pretty much the fundament of representative democracy.

Context.

 

[Wilf]

So Rob Marris has now stated he did delete documents as claimed, but that they were 'his'

a) not quite sure how that works
b) irrelevant of who the information 'belongs' to, if he deleted information which was to be used in the fight against the TU bill he's a cunt

Yes, he should be suspended by the party. Almost certainly won't happen, but he's fucking scum when you consider the real material interests involved here - which he is choosing to see as just another bit in the anti-corbyn game.

 

[teqniq]

The 'Quality Journalism' banner at the top of the Graun site rings hollower with each passing moment.