Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[HoratioCuthbert]

Momentum's not going anywhere.

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Why the facepalm. Yes I am slow.

 

[butchersapron]

More about syntax than anything else...momentum is generally associated with going somewhere.

Or just going.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Ah ok. Wasn't thinking that literally.

Haha me neither

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

We had a bus company in the 90’s called “Inverness Traction”


/derail

 

[brogdale]

Or just going.

 

[cupid_stunt]

We had a bus company in the 90’s called “Inverness Traction”


/derail

A rail replacement service?

 

[Pickman's model]

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Schoolboy error

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

A rail replacement service?

BOOM

 

[killer b]

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What does lisa think happened on those mass canvasing sessions?

Fucking weird. Half of the internet is screaming that the canvassers were sent to the wrong places, the other half are screaming that they weren't wanted anyway.

 

[brogdale]

What does lisa think happened on those mass canvasing sessions?

Fucking weird. Half of the internet is screaming that the canvassers were sent to the wrong places, the other half are screaming that they weren't wanted anyway.

Not what was intended, I think.

 

[teuchter]

Given the history of the two people mentioned it's highly likely they've seen and participated in some of the high-points of class struggle in this country and so may just mean the sort of well meaning naive outsider who tried to help in those conflicts but just couldn't. I think that's a fair enough view to hold if you were formed in a period when higher education was a limited elite prospect not open to you. It's just shorthand.

Was there a naivety in what was offered in the Labour Manifesto then?

 

[killer b]

Not what was intended, I think.

I think it probably did more or less nothing tbh. But people wanted to help. They were desperate to help. There's clearly... discussions to be had about how best to channel this kind of energy, and even more about how to keep things going on during non-election periods, but I was stood in a room with a few hundred of these guys last night as the exit poll came in, and frankly it seems mean spirited to be laying into them for - at worst - wasting a few weeks of their time on a doomed campaign.

 

[killer b]

Thing is, had the campaign not been doomed and Labour had managed to hang on, the momentum canvassers would be the absolute heroes of the piece today. Likelihood is they'd have achieved more or less nothing then too.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm not sure Lisa has earnt the right to that. The essex hecklers have. I remember her being pretty gung-ho herself on bussing picketers to poor doors.

 

[brogdale]

I think it probably did more or less nothing tbh. But people wanted to help. They were desperate to help. There's clearly... discussions to be had about how best to channel this kind of energy, and even more about how to keep things going on during non-election periods, but I was stood in a room with a few hundred of these guys last night as the exit poll came in, and frankly it seems mean spirited to be laying into them for - at worst - wasting a few weeks of their time on a doomed campaign.

Fair points.
FWIW my eldest was involved, so I'm under no illusions about the integrity of their intent etc.
I happen to think Lisa raises (or amplifies) and important view or reflection on the wisdom of shipping in masses of generally highly educated youngsters into such constituencies.
Those familiar with CLPs will know that in many cases there is a membership bias to the wealthier middle class wards and activists often work in the lower membership, more economically deprived wards. Momentum sometimes appeared to be this, writ large with the added dimension of the age-based remain/leave issues.

 

[scifisam]

In Thurrock, when I lived there, people complained about canvassers not coming to their door.

Also the Labour party there is pretty active, and the candidate is a local who served as a councillor for 26 years, while the Tory candidate is an outsider who was brought in just to campaign in 2010 and still doesn't live there. I'm not sure Thurrock was really over-run with canvassers brought in from outside. I've no doubt it happened in some places but I doubt it for that place.

 

[butchersapron]

Just to make clear, the people Lisa is replying to approvingly are in no way labour supporters.

 

[scifisam]

The leadership is a poisoned chalice at the moment. I'd rather someone like Starmer took it on for a while, taking all the shit so that someone decent can become leader in a couple of years' time.

 

[Knotted]

Rayner saidother day in the youth debate that she would vote leave in a Labour negotiated second referendum. I thought at the time it was an odd thing to say, but it looks to me like prepping for a tilt at the leadership after last night. Anyway, I reckon she'd be hard to beat.

Didn't Long-Bailey say something similar a few weeks back? Not sure it was just leadership bidding.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I’ve been told the northern working class were upset at being ignored and left behind. Someone comes along and says vote for me and I will try and make things better.

They respond by voting Tory.

When their children have died, they can console themselves with not hearing any foreign voices in the street.

Have you got any public works we can set this cunt on with Pickman's model?

 

[Knotted]

More about syntax than anything else...momentum is generally associated with going somewhere.

To be fair there is no distinction between momentum and inertia in physics.

 

[brogdale]

The leadership is a poisoned chalice at the moment. I'd rather someone like Starmer took it on for a while, taking all the shit so that someone decent can become leader in a couple of years' time.

My old Mum thinks Starmer is "lovely". I'm worried that he represents the son I never became tbh.

 

[brogdale]

To be fair there is no distinction between momentum and inertia in physics.

Know nothing about Physics, if that helps.

 

[SpineyNorman]

So bland signs and tablets is your manifesto. Wow! What an offer to the public you make! I'm sure Labour will gain all those seats back in a landslide five years down the line.

If he's got skills wallets too I'm in.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The leadership is a poisoned chalice at the moment. I'd rather someone like Starmer took it on for a while, taking all the shit so that someone decent can become leader in a couple of years' time.

I doubt Starmer will be popular with the membership after forcing the U-turn on brexit that seems to have cost Labour any chance they might have had.

 

[butchersapron]

I doubt Starmer will be popular with the membership after forcing the U-turn on brexit that seems to have cost Labour any chance they might have had.

The membership don't seem to have opposed that at all though. The voters in those seats they lost or were heavily damaged in won't be happy for sure.

 

[Wilf]

I'd also ignore reality if I was desperate to find excuses for the fucking obvious. Yes, the NHS logo is simple, but the waste on logo designs for hospitals is bloody stupid.

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Millions flushed down the big when all they needed to do was draw a square and bung 3 letters inside using a standard font, something any kid with a cheap Android phone could have managed for a tenner and a bag of sweets. Then make the standard for printing black and white with blue and white using standard cutting vinyl blues on signs, but all changed only when stocks run out or signs need replacing due to age or damage, never to replace what they have in stock. That also means far cheaper mono printing and cheaper cut vinyl signs. Old tech that comes in at a lot less cost but lasts just as long.
As for glossy brochures, not needed.

Back to hospital design and massive waste. This looks pretty, but the choice between pretty and heart surgery?

Queen Elizabeth University & Royal Hospital for Children | IBI Group


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Million spent on looking nice when the NHS can't provide free dental treatment and essential medicines - Fucking mad

 

[SpookyFrank]

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She was telling people not to vote at all a minute ago.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The membership don't seem to have opposed that at all though.

No, but that won't stop them throwing Starmer under the bus.

 

[brogdale]

She was telling people not to vote at all a minute ago.

Yeah, but I think it wrong to ignore the point she's amplifying, tbh.