And of course your weird regional stereotypes have nothing in common with racism.
He won't get near the bus if you're right that the membership opposed his role in forcing the effective pro-remain position on the party. But they didn't.
Similar anecdotes here. Work colleague who lives in Bolsover (or bowser as it should be pronounced) voted tory because Labour had 'gone remain' but says he will go back to voting Labour after Brexit and hopes corbyn or another left is leader.
This, certainly. And that's the core of the liberal left's problem, can't distinguish between working in/with working class communities to organise themselves Vs an army of largely middle class activists 'descending on' an area. It doesn't mobilise a community, it makes things worse.
Both these posts then are about tactical short term things rather than ideological commitment. A tactical thing that labour got on the wrong end of. They didn't need to.
I think she's right about mass canvassers going into communities, whilst taking on board butcher's point about consistency. But I think it's wrong to discuss this as a campaign issue only - Corbynism needed to 'reconnect' with working class communities and actually organise - to move beyond 'representing', to start thinking about becoming a movement. I've banged on about that for ages, though there was never a realistic chance Corbyn/Momentum would do it. But at the same time, it was just about the only to avoid becoming a slightly more left wing than Ed Miliband failure, which is what has happened.
Ballast for a light railway on west falkland.
I think it's a fair point to make over long term stuff that directly effects communities. But people expect canvassers and carpetbaggers in elections, not local projects etc. This has been part of the debate since about the early 2000s on the left that many here took part in (UKLN refugees welcome here glasgow etc).
I don't disagree with any of that, save that there might have been scope to develop an active policy along the lines of 'brino + workers rights' and the rest, certainly over the last 18 months. But I think the deeper issue is that Labour are now unable to take working class voters with them in almost any direction. Trapped by Brexit, absolutely, but it was a ready made cage they've been constructing themselves for years.
No, that's a misjudgement, I think. There are big areas of Labour support, such as in London, that were solidly anti-brexit for various reasons, often little to do with being pro-European. This is a very divided country at the moment.
I'm sure you are right that would have been significant internal fall out if labour hadn't of compromised to remain, not sure it would have had same electoral impact during GE and am absolutely certain that the longer term effects would have been lesser. Hope the tory swing in w/c areas is a tactical thing which won't be repeated but once people cross the rubicon.
Missing presumed unelectable
They knew from 2005 on it wouldn't work. That it hadn't worked. Yet some voice said let's do it again because i know who is really important - it's people like me who run the party at the top and centre. And we don't like the liberal battering that we're getting. 2017 where there was a clear split in the vote made that pretty obvious to all with eyes. Yet, because of who runs the party and how it happened again.
A letter from his three sons.
Whatever your opinions on the election it sums him up pretty well.
Yeah I saw a clip about a fighter pilot wearing a burka that didn't seem to go down too well.
Well I expect that in the circles they move, everyone else does so they just join in. My sister's kids call her & her hubby by their names.
A letter from his three sons.
Whatever your opinions on the election it sums him up pretty well.
I call my mum and dad by their names. It's fine actually.
