Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Red O]

The economists Corbyn recruited are now deserting: Blanchflower, Piketty, Murphy (Piketty was apparently going anyway but still says he is 'concerned with the Brexit vote, and with the weak campaign of Labour'). Wren-Lewis, Mazzucato et al have said they are 'unhappy that the Labour leadership has not campaigned more strongly to avoid' Leave. Do these people mean anything to the membership?

 

[BandWagon]

Batley & Spen?

I dunno, just a thought.

 

[J Ed]

Is there anyone who actually likes David Miliband? I've heard 'Labour picked the wrong brother' quite a few times but never from anyone who would actually vote Labour. I'm sure they are out there, but I don't think there can be more than a handful.

 

[YouSir]

The economists Corbyn recruited are now deserting: Blanchflower, Piketty, Murphy (Piketty was apparently going anyway but still says he is 'concerned with the Brexit vote, and with the weak campaign of Labour'. Wren-Lewis, Mazzucato et al have said they are 'unhappy that the Labour leadership has not campaigned more strongly to avoid' Leave. Do these people mean anything to the membership?

Just voices to add to the chorus.

 

[YouSir]

Is there anyone who actually likes David Miliband? I've heard 'Labour picked the wrong brother' quite a few times but never from anyone who would actually vote Labour. I'm sure they are out there, but I don't think there can be more than a handful.

I know one person who liked him. Only because they thought he'd win though, never explained why mind.

 

[Idris2002]

Is there anyone who actually likes David Miliband? I've heard 'Labour picked the wrong brother' quite a few times but never from anyone who would actually vote Labour. I'm sure they are out there, but I don't think there can be more than a handful.

I remember at the time, when it was "brother vs brother in the grudge match of the century", it was argued that wee Ed had a fan base in the party that DM did not.

 

[J Ed]

This.. sounds like what should have been happening from the start.

 

[teuchter]

Seen on facebook; advice to someone about to join the Labour party - I'm sure most here would agree with the sentiment:

By all means get stuck in ******, but Corbyn's argued vehemently all his political life against the EU and devolution of power to the UK regions (he's a believer in centralised state capitalism - have a look at his CV). Shouldn't you be joining the Lib-Dems, who've always opposed big business and supported proportional representation and devolution at home, plus close cooperation with Europe?

 

[billy_bob]

my facebook timeline is showing a few joining the labour party to support corbyn, and my dad even said he thought he should last night. Will this coup against this unelectable leader result in another spike in membership to support him?

Interestingly if those calling for Corbyn to go thought they would win a new leadership election then they would go for it; after all it would answer any questions of legitimacy being put to them. But they won't because they can't and that tells you all you need to know about their opinion of the membership (not to be trusted) and of their own democratic processes (not really needed).

It's interesting, isn't it? I think in the first few days of this I can see how the sheer chaos of it would put some ordinary folk off Corbyn - looks like he's running a fairly leaky ship. But possibly the more it goes on and the more establishment figures pile on to join the ruck, the more people will start to consider what their agenda is and their sympathies are going to shift.

 

[YouSir]

Unless they can legally exclude Corbyn from the leadership ballot, this incessant pressure is all they've got. They know full well when they press the 'nuclear button' of a contest including Corbyn they're finished.

Law of diminishing returns though. Can't still be doing this in a months time, no one will care. So they need a vote, that they'll lose. Rock and a hard place. Here's hoping they get crushed.

 

[billy_bob]

Is there anyone who actually likes David Miliband? I've heard 'Labour picked the wrong brother' quite a few times but never from anyone who would actually vote Labour. I'm sure they are out there, but I don't think there can be more than a handful.

It's predicated entirely on the fact that he looks slightly less like a dork than Ed. Slightly. This is the kind of embarassment of riches we have to choose from in the PLP.

 

[wheelie_bin]

Fuck it, if we end up losing Corbyn, then let's have Dennis Skinner.

(I know, he's 84 now and should be able to just chill out, but clearly the younger ones aren't going to work.)

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Really interesting now are the Tory voices calling for Corbyn to go. Why shouldn't they want the Labour Party to tear itself apart and die - which is what the anti-Corbyn forces are claiming? One of them just said out loud that they need a 'reasonable' opposition; this isn't code, this is straight forwardly saying what they believe; you can have any alternative you want so long as it remains within the bounds we set out...i.e. that it is effective no opposition at all just another variant that can be called on as and when electorally needed.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[DaveCinzano]

Cross-posted from Graunibollocks, but still, fried gold:

If you value the Guardian's coverage of Brexit, please help to fund it | Katharine Viner

 

[YouSir]

Really interesting now are the Tory voices calling for Corbyn to go. Why shouldn't they want the Labour Party to tear itself apart and die - which is what the anti-Corbyn forces are claiming? One of them just said out loud that they need a 'reasonable' opposition; this isn't code, this is straight forwardly saying what they believe; you can have any alternative you want so long as it remains within the bounds we set out...i.e. that it is effective no opposition at all just another variant that can be called on as and when electorally needed.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Someone posted an extract from a Tory written article earlier saying just that. Real opposition is terrifying.

 

[danny la rouge]

Corbyn has the Force* on his side.







(* I think McGregor played somebody in a Star Wars film, though I haven't seen it).

 

[butchersapron]

Really interesting now are the Tory voices calling for Corbyn to go. Why shouldn't they want the Labour Party to tear itself apart and die - which is what the anti-Corbyn forces are claiming? One of them just said out loud that they need a 'reasonable' opposition; this isn't code, this is straight forwardly saying what they believe; you can have any alternative you want so long as it remains within the bounds we set out...i.e. that it is effective no opposition at all just another variant that can be called on as and when electorally needed.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Yes, the 2nd 11 has to exist to take over when injuries etc effect the first 11 (that's how i read someone put it earlier) or there'll be no game at all.

 

[butchersapron]

Corbyn has the Force* on his side.







(* I think McGregor played somebody in a Star Wars film, though I haven't seen it).

I bet you're the only scottish fellow not to have seen trainspotting too.

 

[danny la rouge]

I bet you're the only scottish fellow not to have seen trainspotting too.

No, I've seen Trainspotting. I didn't want to bring up the toilet scene, though, as I'm hoping Corbyn's leadership won't need the analogy.

 

[Santino]

(* I think McGregor played somebody in a Star Wars film, though I haven't seen it).

Given his background he must have played Scotty, the Chief Engineer.

 

[danny la rouge]

Given his background he must have played Scotty, the Chief Engineer.

You're not going to annoy me today. I won't rise to it.

Live long and prosper.

 

[billy_bob]

Corbyn has the Force* on his side.

Totally wasted opportunity to resurrect the line "Never let your friends tie you to a railway track"

 

[Orang Utan]

Is there anyone who actually likes David Miliband? I've heard 'Labour picked the wrong brother' quite a few times but never from anyone who would actually vote Labour. I'm sure they are out there, but I don't think there can be more than a handful.

I think he's very popular with hindsight-addled Red Torys

 

[billy_bob]

Cross-posted from Graunibollocks, but still, fried gold:

If you value the Guardian's coverage of Brexit, please help to fund it | Katharine Viner

Contemptible. Having just read this ill-informed, poorly argued clickbait, I'll happily pay into any fund that would promise to get them to shut the fuck up.

 

[danny la rouge]

Totally wasted opportunity to resurrect the line "Never let your friends tie you to a railway track"

Choose life, choose the top job, choose deselecting the backstabbing turncoats.

Ran out of steam.

 

[killer b]

Just a thought, has there been any mention of David Milliband coming back?

On the hour, every hour for about 6 years now.

 

[Rob Ray]

Contemptible. Having just read this ill-informed, poorly argued clickbait, I'll happily pay into any fund that would promise to get them to shut the fuck up.

Hah, imagine the money that could be raised by a reverse GoFundMe, "We will donate ££££££ if the Guardian stops paying the likes of Polly Toynbee to write utter fucking drivel." Their new publishing model could be the equivalent of Coffin Henry.

 

[phildwyer]

Cross-posted from Graunibollocks, but still, fried gold:

If you value the Guardian's coverage of Brexit, please help to fund it | Katharine Viner

Jesus, talk about nerve. She should be paying us to read her.

 

[Rob Ray]

TUC's not responding to requests for comment atm, possibly suggests a lack of policy clarity in the upper echelons. If they lose their nerve that might actually be it, though the idea they'd voluntarily lie down for the slaughter seems pointless to me. They've nothing to lose and everything to gain from backing him.

 

[DotCommunist]

he played ben kenobi and was the least shit thing about the prequels. Note that least shit doesn't mean not shit. Like a bum note drowned out by a philharmonic of shit sounds.
danny la rouge