Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Wilf]

Which is why I doubt there will be a split. Both sides know that however 'loses' the split is not going to get very far.

I agree, they are pretty much trapped in the logic of the first past the post system. But then there might be a fragment splitting off in some fairly organised way. really hard to tell how it will play out. Some kind of unity candidate/leadership would have to do an amazing job to keep it together. But then where would the splitters go? Simply joining the libs can't be an option - just too fucking embarrassing. But if they were planning a new party, I'm sure we'd have heard solid rumours by now. Probably several months of getting shitter and shitter is the likely outcome. No obvious scenario to see how either a viable social democratic party or blairite version could really establish itself. The Corbyn lot - after another leadership win would probably keep the money and the name (and of course the members). But they'd only have 40+ MPs. Could be more, several of the ones who voted against him yesterday might ultimately stay, but nothing like a viable parliamentary block.

All of the above adds up to a pile of 'we'll have to see', but there's nothing obviously good in this for centre left.

 

[J Ed]

The way that Corbyn has faced down this snakes so far has been impressive, I wasn't sure he had it in him.

 

[chilango]

They'll keep piling the pressure on 'till either he slips up and lets them in, or his health goes. Whichever is the sooner.

Of course if "the unions" come out against him, he's done.

 

[The39thStep]

TUC's not responding to requests for comment atm, possibly suggests a lack of policy clarity in the upper echelons. If they lose their nerve that might actually be it, though the idea they'd voluntarily lie down for the slaughter seems pointless to me. They've nothing to lose and everything to gain from backing him.

Wouldn't surprise me if Unite change horses tbh

 

[Biscuitician]

The economists Corbyn recruited are now deserting: Blanchflower, Piketty, Murphy (Piketty was apparently going anyway but still says he is 'concerned with the Brexit vote, and with the weak campaign of Labour'). Wren-Lewis, Mazzucato et al have said they are 'unhappy that the Labour leadership has not campaigned more strongly to avoid' Leave. Do these people mean anything to the membership?

I thought Richard Murphy was one of the good guys. I guess not.

 

[treelover]

Great comment on one of Momentum's event invites, on the failures of Corbyn's team to get the word out.

Not sure that is true of email, been bombarded by them, but the FB page is largely propaganda and covers middle class concerns.

 

[J Ed]

They'll keep piling the pressure on 'till either he slips up and lets them in, or his health goes. Whichever is the sooner.

Of course if "the unions" come out against him, he's done.

Yes, I mentioned that ages back. Can you imagine the toll of all of this on a person's mental and/or physical health? I'm sure it is even worse than we can imagine as well when you take into account the way that these snakes are no doubt treating him in private.

 

[Biscuitician]

Seen on facebook; advice to someone about to join the Labour party - I'm sure most here would agree with the sentiment:

The Libdems are so against big business they tripled tuition fees to make it impossible for you to get a job in one.

 

[squirrelp]

I like Corbyn but for me there is one fundamental reason why he needs to go. He campaigned for remain and was on the losing side. As per Cameron resigning so that a Brexiter can lead JC needs to do the same.

Whichever side wins it needs to be done quickly - Labour couldn't ruffle Camerons feathers at PMQ today and that needs to change.

I don't think that's quite fair, as a majority of Labour voters voted for remain.

Suppose the Green party leader is against nuclear power, and so are her members. If there was a referendum on whether we should have nuclear power, and people overall voted for nuclear power, should she be replaced?

 

[butchersapron]

I thought Richard Murphy was one of the good guys. I guess not.

Murphy has - openly and publicly - said many times that he is not a socialist and considers socialism daft. But such is the lack of people doing the sort of work he has been doing has elevated him a bit higher than he deserves in peoples political imagination.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

John Bercow has just said in Parliament that he is respecting Corbyn's position as leader of the opposition having carefully considered it and consulted legal peeps.

 

[treelover]

The Labour right's problem is that they made voting in their leadership election about as easy as signing a change.org petition (this also, IMO, goes some way to explaining why most of those who voted Corbyn in haven't done much since - they essentially got their man into the top job with a few clicks of a mouse - clicktivism works! No need for those old-style politics anymore...).

While there's been some noble efforts to get people opposed to Corbyn signed up, their platform simply isn't one that has the same kind of wide appeal that Corbyn's did (and will do) with the kind of people who would actually bother. So they're doomed to failure, IMO.

They have a site now, savinglabour, I think they will get more people now,

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Also... Gordon Brown has said Corbyn must go. Gordon fucking Brown. LOL

 

[DotCommunist]

Yes, I mentioned that ages back. Can you imagine the toll of all of this on a person's mental and/or physical health? I'm sure it is even worse than we can imagine as well when you take into account the way that these snakes are no doubt treating him in private.

He's spent all nulab years on the despised, old and boring labour left. Must have a rhino hide, I'd have chucked in the towel long ago and done a shit in the HoC canteen.

Recalling now the phrase Kendall used that makes her so deserving of the derisory 4.5%
'we don't want labour to be seen like that moany old bloke at the pub'


WHAT DO YOU THINK MADE HIM MOANY LIZ? HAVE A FUCKING STAB AT IT NOW. IN YOUR OWN TIME

at least yvette displayed the competence to run a school as th xo and Burnham can sell austin allegros to anyone.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, I mentioned that ages back. Can you imagine the toll of all of this on a person's mental and/or physical health? I'm sure it is even worse than we can imagine as well when you take into account the way that these snakes are no doubt treating him in private.

Some people do thrive on that stuff though. I think he may be one of them judging by his unpanicked reactions (maybe too unpanicked?) so far. You can't have spent 50 years on the wing of the labour party thinking that developed most clearly out of the responses of the chilean state/capital to allende and so was based on the need for a parliamentary/extra-parliamentary coalition beyond the fragments not to have expected some form of counter-attack.

edit: what a horrible mangled sentence. Oh well. You get the gist of it i hope.

 

[killer b]

They have a site now, savinglabour, I think they will get more people now,

a hashtag! that's what they needed.

 

[J Ed]

a hashtag! that's what they needed.

Hey fellow kids, want some of this Third Way stuff?

 

[treelover]

For the record I don't think the Labour Party will split, nor will it disappear as some seem to be suggesting. I don't think either side will give up the fight for the party. And while the fight will do massive damage, it will persevere simply because there is no where else for most of the voters or members to go.

lots of the new members will go to the Greens or just give up.

 

[Biscuitician]

Angela Eagle's local Labour party backs Corbyn...awkward!

 

[treelover]

The economists Corbyn recruited are now deserting: Blanchflower, Piketty, Murphy (Piketty was apparently going anyway but still says he is 'concerned with the Brexit vote, and with the weak campaign of Labour'). Wren-Lewis, Mazzucato et al have said they are 'unhappy that the Labour leadership has not campaigned more strongly to avoid' Leave. Do these people mean anything to the membership?

They mean a lot to John McDonnell who has been hard at work creating a new alternative economic policy.

 

[agricola]

John Bercow has just said in Parliament that he is respecting Corbyn's position as leader of the opposition having carefully considered it and consulted legal peeps.

So that means increasing panic for the PLP for the next seven days, then the doom comes upon them?

 

[rutabowa]

Who's this john bercow? can they get him in the shadow cabinet?

 

[butchersapron]

Who's this john bercow? can they get him in the shadow cabinet?

He's the bloke who ran the "hang mandela" campaign.

 

[Pickman's model]

Who's this john bercow? can they get him in the shadow cabinet?

Former tory mp now speaker of Commons, unsavoury right wing past

 

[killer b]

He's the bloke who ran the "hang mandela" campaign.

Still, we're all young once, and Corbyn needs an education spokesman...

 

[Rob Ray]

Still, we're all young once, and Corbyn needs an education spokesman...

And I imagine he'd be pretty much entirely immune to liberals throwing tantrums at him, so that's a plus.

 

[treelover]

Former tory mp now speaker of Commons, unsavoury right wing past

Plenty of left wingers started on the far right, Rickie Tomlinson, NF, according to his own words on CH4 last night during the Shrewsbury 4 episode.,

 

[treelover]

Corbyn can’t hang on. But young people need a new leftwing candidate | Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett

Voice of youth W/C Rhiannon now abandons JC.

 

[Pickman's model]

Plenty of left wingers started on the far right, Rickie Tomlinson, NF, according to his own words on CH4 last night during the Shrewsbury 4 episode.,

You think John bercow is left wing

 

[Rob Ray]

Voice of youth W/C Rhiannon now abandons JC.

Not really, more like she's seeing the resignation wave and calls to quit and deciding that's curtains. Quite a lot of people are doing that while not feeling it's right. Most of the article is her bashing the Labour right for not understanding the need for a left leader.