oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Saw it and that's exactly what I thought. Has May been on yet?
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
An interview based around Tory talking points. What he said or did with the IRA 30 years ago is of little relevance now, but I suspect they've 'focus grouped' this one and it's done well - the 'Alex Salmond pulling the strings' thing seemed equally preposterous at the last election but apparently had traction and got their vote out. They're not entirely stupid.
She was on Monday. Didn't do so well.
newbie
undisambiguated
if the result looks close there will be Scottish tail wagging dog stories this time too.
Perhaps you're being tongue in cheek here, but if you're not, I'd just like to say JC has never been a trendy lefty. Imo, he's always been a genuine campaigner for social and other justice, including his support for the Birmingham 6 and the Guilford 4. Seen him on lots of demos, never once thought he was a trendy type of person
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cantsin
Well-Known Member
how ?
cantsin
Well-Known Member
"trendy lefty" is just plain wrong for Corbo, whatever you think of him - if nothing else, his commitment is unquestionable
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Still kind of trendy, though, in a 1980 geography teacher kind of way.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
mate, that look wasn't trendy in it's 70's Poly lecturer heyday, let alone in the mid 80's , as JC was slipping out the side door of Troops Out meetings as Red Action did the business / saved his arse from rampaging fash ( see BTF for details - certain members of this parish may be around to lend their sartorial input here at some point ) .
RCP late 80's : ' Trendy Lefties
Corbo + Co late 80's : not so much
( no need to point out the transitory nature of the RCPs Politics vs Corbo's - for better or for worse - speaks for itself )
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Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
So I just hit youtube for a video about Martin Carthy and got a Tory propaganda movie about Corybn the terrorist
What the fuck is going on here?
Some sort of heavy handed Tory media strategy?
What the fuck is going on here?
Some sort of heavy handed Tory media strategy?
Fez909
toilet expert
Corbyn is a norm core icon
mikey mikey
Active Member
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Perhaps you're being tongue in cheek here, but if you're not, I'd just like to say JC has never been a trendy lefty. Imo, he's always been a genuine campaigner for social and other justice, including his support for the Birmingham 6 and the Guilford 4. Seen him on lots of demos, never once thought he was a trendy type of person
Apologies - I seem to have used the term "trendy lefty" incorrectly! Wasn't intending to either question his commitment to causes nor comment on his dress sense. More about his adoption of a range of causes popular with radicals but unpopular elsewhere....
mikey mikey
Active Member
Yeah, yeah. Trendy muesli loony leftie trotsky geography teacher ad Corbynem. Fuck that noise.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Political ads on facebook and Youtube have been in use since the 2010 election.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Tories have also raised a lot of money for this election (I guess the wealthy are frightened of the alternatives available) so will be buying in a lot of shit like this.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Because his support for the Republican cause was partisan for an elected representative, especially one who now wants to be the Prime Minister of the UK including Northern Ireland. It may be that he never thought he would be aiming to rule, but his party always wanted to.
You can take the view, quite reasonably, that these were his true opinions and maybe we need more conviction in politics, but this was an armed struggle and some people close to the conflict won't like or trust him as a consequence.
I think Corbyn has been doing well, but his past will be an issue over the next three weeks. Without the baggage he could well have been ahead by now.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Yes. But now he wants to be statesman, champion of the Police for example. He is always going to be scrutinised, needs to be able to answer.
mikey mikey
Active Member
Because "trendy lefty" and "dress sense" are such a pertinent questions and such incisive scrutiny.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I don't think the specifics of the baggage are an issue. It's old stuff. But I do think they illustrate something about Corbyn. That he was content to eke out a career on Labour's back benches whilst at the same time touring the lefty circuit of causes.
Y'know? being part of the Labour Party which when in government did the Iraq War whilst Corbyn did his Hamas/Hezbollah thing. (As an example)
There's something that rubs wrong there. Something about having your cake and eating it (though, in fairness what else are you supposed t do with cake?). Something he had in common with a lot of the left of the 80s imo.
I'm struggling to put my finger on it. In the case of many of his type I've encountered I could dismiss it as "hobbyism", but in the case of Corbyn he carved a career out it.
It's not that I don't think he's genuine. I think he probably is.
Im rambling, I know
TL; DR All this baggage reminds me of why I never liked the 80s style Labour Left.
mikey mikey
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Right. No difference whatsoever between e.g. the Angry Brigade and AQ. No difference between the dambusters and AQ. No difference between soe and AQ. Not sure this bomber is a bomber is a bomber lark really works.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
Do you ever check the date of publication of these articles?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Mikey mikey fails at even the most basick fact checking
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
I don't think the specifics of the baggage are an issue. It's old stuff. But I do think they illustrate something about Corbyn. That he was content to eke out a career on Labour's back benches whilst at the same time touring the lefty circuit of causes.
Y'know? being part of the Labour Party which when in government did the Iraq War whilst Corbyn did his Hamas/Hezbollah thing. (As an example)
There's something that rubs wrong there. Something about having your cake and eating it (though, in fairness what else are you supposed t do with cake?). Something he had in common with a lot of the left of the 80s imo.
I'm struggling to put my finger on it. In the case of many of his type I've encountered I could dismiss it as "hobbyism", but in the case of Corbyn he carved a career out it.
It's not that I don't think he's genuine. I think he probably is.
Im rambling, I know
TL; DR All this baggage reminds me of why I never liked the 80s style Labour Left.
The cult of Jeremy worries me in this respect. It can do nothing to dissuade Jeremy of his essential goodness and righteousness, even when the terrain is awkward and his views contradictory.
But at the moment at least he has been spot on during the campaign and by heck it's working for them. The question is whether that 'hobbyist' past can still derail him.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Because "trendy lefty" and "dress sense" are such a pertinent questions and such incisive scrutiny.
I trust you'll be leaving Theresa's gaudy shoes, eye-wateringly expensive trousers and beliefs out of any debate then.
Whatever you think of Corbyn's strategy of remaining inside the party, agitating from the left and pushing/waiting for the dial to swing back, you can't really say it's not has some success: we're a week and a half away from him leading the party into a general election.I don't think the specifics of the baggage are an issue. It's old stuff. But I do think they illustrate something about Corbyn. That he was content to eke out a career on Labour's back benches whilst at the same time touring the lefty circuit of causes.
Y'know? being part of the Labour Party which when in government did the Iraq War whilst Corbyn did his Hamas/Hezbollah thing. (As an example)
There's something that rubs wrong there. Something about having your cake and eating it (though, in fairness what else are you supposed t do with cake?). Something he had in common with a lot of the left of the 80s imo.
I'm struggling to put my finger on it. In the case of many of his type I've encountered I could dismiss it as "hobbyism", but in the case of Corbyn he carved a career out it.
It's not that I don't think he's genuine. I think he probably is.
Im rambling, I know
TL; DR All this baggage reminds me of why I never liked the 80s style Labour Left.
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