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floofy
Oh yeah. That cider , good for the emoting less good for the memory.No need for a PM (though I did actually tell you who said it at the Cider Bar, as did Matt). It was Donatus Anyanwu.
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Tell me about it. I can only partway remember my long perambulation home - highlights like bouncing off of someone's hedge, or playing "dodge the vomit" on Coldharbour.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I see that Desperate Danczuk is pretending to resign*, although he was de-selected basically I think. But his resignation letter is a chance to accuse Corbyn and Co of being Stalinists. So that's nice.
*Edit: Oh I see, he is resigning from Labour entirely. That's sad. Oh well.
*Edit: Oh I see, he is resigning from Labour entirely. That's sad. Oh well.
Gramsci
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As I'm one of people opposing the sell off of the adventure playground in Lambeth the picture is more complicated than a Labour Council dealing with cuts.
Lambeth Labour is controlled by the Progress wing of the Labour party. Going back to the days of Blair. As I'm sure ViolentPanda can explain they are hostile to traditional Council housing.
There view is that state provision is part of the post war Welfare State that leads to "dependency". That services should be offloaded to public/private partnerships and social enterprises. Local government should change from a provider to an enabler.
They see this as return of the Labour party to being about self help not asking for handouts. The "Co-op Council" they call it.
If this sounds like Cameron's Big Society it's about the same.
A Progess led Labour Party would still be pursuing "austerity" , which as ViolentPanda has pointed out is ideological choice.
So what I'm saying is that Lambeth Labour run Council would be pursuing this agenda whatever government is in power.
On the adventure playground we now know a charity with experience of running adventure playgrounds had approached the Council to run it. The Council turned them down. They see doing deals with developers as the way forward. Public/private partnerships.
Lambeth Labour Progress/ Blairites loathe Corbyn. There choice for leader was Liz Kendal.
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Try to explain to them that social housing has a reputation for fostering a dependency culture almost entirely due to 30 years of residualisation of social housing, and of an allocation system based on absolute priority need - i.e. you have to be pretty fucked up to qualify - and they just look at you blankly, like you've just spoken in an unknown tongue. None of this stuff is exactly high-level information, but basically if it doesn't fit to their presuppositions and prejudices, it doesn't make their grade.
And indeed did, under Blair and Brown.
One might also, if one were a cynic, conclude that getting in with developers in hope of future mutually-beneficial arrangements was also a factor in favouring such PPP arrangements.
Yep, all three CLPs that cover Lambeth - Liz fucking Kendall.
Who else is protecting these services?
Expect more of this if you don't get off your arses and vote.
Fears of 'two-tier NHS' as GPs allow fee-paying patients to jump the queue
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You didn't notice then the huge numbers of PFI agreements under labour. Things which undermined the NHS for decades still to come. But the NHS safe in labour hands
Complete straw man, topped off with a massive assumption about my position based on prejudice. You're a joke.You didn't notice then the huge numbers of PFI agreements under labour. Things which undermined the NHS for decades still to come. But the NHS safe in labour hands
How so?
Ironic really, considering that it's tu quoque to point that out while ignoring the point
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Nope
What do you think the tu quoque fallacy is?
butchersapron
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Don't do this to yourself.
perhaps instead of inccorectly using tu quoque, why not just answer the question?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You're used to TQ ending discussion aren't you? Other fallacies to hand. Oh well.
Just listen to and read posters and posts with a bit more care. You've made this.
This is really tedious. I'd suggest getting back on topic but not convinced that's a good idea either.
Would you like to address the issue I raised? I've repeatedly asked you for alternatives and all you've done is behave like a 2 year old.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yep. There is no other option.
If Labour aren't standing on your ballot then obviously you can't vote for them, so there's no issue is there. Don't be dense.
I don't imagine there are too many constituencies not fielding a candidate.
But you are still not answering my question. Is this how you imagine discourse works? You sneer at people's points then offer nothing of your own. No wonder people don't take you seriously
If only
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You don't know what a straw man is. I'm not saying what you're arguing, I'm adding a new point.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
7 people on here take me seriously - you LIAR.
No, you were telling me what my point was. That's a straw man, arguing against a misrepresentation of my point.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
No, I wasn't telling you what your point was
Yes, you were. Either that or your using a very weird version of English.No, I wasn't telling you what your point was
"You didn't notice then the huge numbers of PFI agreements under labour. Things which undermined the NHS for decades still to come. But the NHS safe in labour hands
"That's you misrepresenting me. Again. I didn't say the NHS was safe in Labour's hands, nor have I made mention of PFI, which gives you no clue as to whether i've noticed it or not. That doesn't seem to stop you making repeated assumptions about my view. Don't dodge the fact you've been caught in a lie. I'm quoting you directly saying that you think I'm saying the NHS is safe in Labour's hands, that's a straw man right there.
Either that or your delusional
ooh, caps lock! The ante's upped!
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