so you think flying the regime flag was showing solidarity with the Syrians who are fighting the regime?
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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You didn't say which flag that was. I've never seen that before.
If you have evidence, beyond this supposition, that JmD supports Assad then I'm happy to look at it. Pointing to him as standing next to a flag and drawing an inferrence is not evidence.
The Syrian people.
butchersapron
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It's the flag of the FSA - if you've never seen it before that would go some way to explaining why you don't realise what flying the regime flag means politically.
What supposition that JM supports the assad regime? I said that he was happy to speak in front it despite knowing what it stands for. As it goes, i think his position on assad is better than most of the labour-left leadership - corbyn in particular.
How so?
so you think flying the regime flag was showing solidarity with the Syrians who are fighting the regime?
No, I simply think that John is trying to show support for the victims of the civil war, particularly comrades he perhaps personally knows within trying to stay alive. I've seen nothing that compels me to think he supports Assad and I see no reason to join in a witch hunt. Nor do I particularly care to be labelled the bad guy for thinking better of someone than it appears others do.
If I'm wrong, then I'm happy to see the evidence. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be made the bad guy in this thread for making a perfectly reasonable statement.
butchersapron
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Because it's the flag of the FSA - if you've never seen it before that would go some way to explaining why you don't realise what flying the regime flag means politically.
fair enough.
you don't stand under the flag of one side if you're trying to show support or sympathy for the victims of the war as a whole.
playing at being a radical
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Using up his political capital unwisely?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
What political capital? With who?
i imagine he was invited.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
So? So what? If he was invited it means that they want him to speak. So he did. He probably had nothing to do with the flag display too.
butchersapron
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It was the annual mayday commemoration/march in london. The flags are supposed to represent the history celebration and future commitment to worker solidarity. Whether JM had anything to do with the flags pledging commitment to the exact opposite that were behind him when he delivered his speech or not he could have and should have asked for their removal before he spoke.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
He didn't have to accept.
He didn't have to speak with the Syrian and CPGB-ML flags framing him.
He didn't have to even attend the rally.
He chose to.
It's entirely possible that the organisers didn't know or don't believe this interpretation of the position of the Syrian flag. Maybe they should have, but i'm not prepared to throw the man under the bus because he didn't speak out.
butchersapron
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Every single organiser - and JM - knew exactly what that flag means and what it represents politically. And he chose to speak with it there. The purpose of it being there was to suggest a wider commitment on the part of what's left of the labor movement to what it represents. By allowing it to stand when he spoke JM helped further this agenda.
Who is talking of throwing him under the bus? Is that all that political criticism can be? Is that really it - full agreement or war to the death?
happie chappie
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Of course not.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Then why on earth suggest that this is what the people you're responding to are doing?
It seemed that some were baying for his blood.
bluescreen
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Or in writing here: John McDonnell claims he didn't see these massive flags
In brief, he says he didn't know they were there, was appalled to discover it, and would have demanded they be removed if he had known.
Seems reasonable enough
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
So Mayday is a celebration of "workers' contributions to the economy" is it McDonnell?
That's the most fucking offensive bit yet!
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
He knows what those flags mean and he knows what it signifies if he's seen to be standing in front of them.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Well that puts paid to the notion that they were there to represent solidarity with the syrian people doesn't it - when JM attacks the flag and what it stands for!
As if, he didn't know or see anyway. Those people holding them are there to be visible and they make damn sure they are.
As if, he didn't know or see anyway. Those people holding them are there to be visible and they make damn sure they are.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
a veteran left labour man didn't see the flags or know about the cpgb-ml involvement and what they are like? Ehhhh...
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