Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[redsquirrel]

<snip>.

How's that related to my post?

 

[Idris2002]

Are you sure he's referring to Corbyn and not Tim Farron/Libdems?

He does seem to inspire a genuinely irrational hatred among certain types:



It would give you pause for thought, really.

 

[mikey mikey]

meh. Jen is a Liberal party supporter.
Jen RemainResistant❄ (@RemainResistant) | Twitter

 

[chilango]

meh. Jen is a Liberal party supporter.
Jen RemainResistant❄ (@RemainResistant) | Twitter

Not the Liberal Party though, surely?

 

[mikey mikey]

My bad LibDem. You know, the two faced lying shits that claim to be the Remaian party but are angling for a second coalition with the Tories.

 

[Wilf]

Farron has a fairly unique facial expression - startled disappointment.

 

[Wilf]

The various declines in industry and working life have all affected Labour, in many ways Maggie launched a silver bullet that's paying dividends today.

The loss of industry, unions, selling off houses so people are grateful to 'get on the ladder' have slowly cut down what working class solidarity there was and Labours willingness to become Conservative-red brand in 97 onwards and not try and reverse the declines outside London have meant a complete drain of talent and support.


There's also the decline in party membership and political engagement in general over last few decades. Ironically Corbyn and the ref seems to have negated that at least.

There's a more up to date graph here (p.7):
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05125/SN05125.pdf

 

[Wilf]

There's a more up to date graph here (p.7):
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05125/SN05125.pdf

I just did a quick search to see if there were figures on the backgrounds of those who joined Labour as part of the Corbyn surge (and are now leaving). I think we've already had this very piece in the past from early 2016:
How middle class are Labour’s new members?
What's interesting - in the sense of being predictable and so not very interesting - is the trajectory the piece takes. From a couple of generalisations and factlets about the new intake being as middle class as anyone who joins political parties, it's straight into John Mann doing John Mann stuff. You'd almost think there was an agenda!

Don't get me wrong, I think the social background of the new members is very significant and is one of the key reasons why Corbynism hasn't got very far. But the irony of the New Statesman bubbleists moaning about the party being too middles class...

 

[Old Spark]

This week Labours nec selection sub committee,split evenly between corbynistas and watsonians ,will select the candidates in the 13 seats where labour mps are standing down.

This will affect Corbyns ability to pass the torch in the event of him standing down.

Of the original 36 nominees he can probably count on the following to get elected and nominate ,sayJohn McDonnell,

Abbott,Ali,Burgon,Butler,Campbell,Corbyn,Haigh,Hopkins,Hussain,Long-Bailey,McDonnell,Morris,Osamor,Skinner,Trickett-15

Of the original 36 he wont get the "morons"who lent him their nomination
-Beckett,Coyle,Cruddas,Efford,Field,Huq,Lammy,Marsden,Onwurah,Thomas-10

Of the original 36 he might get Champion,Lewis,Thornberry,West.-4 ,tho two of these might run themselves.

Of the original 36 the following might not get elected or have been replaced in by elections by mps who wouldnt nominate him -,Ogmore,Tooting,Oldham West,Siddiq,Cat Smith,Oxford East-6

Deceased -Jo Cox

So Corbyn seems to have 19 possibles and defo needs some reinforcements -Sam Tarry,Katy Clark,Karie Murphy seem to be in the running but a reduction in the nomination threshold to a max 10 percent would seem to be required.


Conclusion -he probably wont stand down before conference and maybe not then with unimaginable consequences.

 

[mikey mikey]

Good thing we're focusing on attacking the Tories, innit?

 

[chilango]

Good thing we're focusing on attacking the Tories, innit?

I'm not.

 

[mikey mikey]

Are you not?

Why not?

 

[emanymton]

Are you not?

Why not?

My answer. Because the class struggle is wider than Labour vs tories.

 

[mikey mikey]

Agreed, but right now, witch Theresa is going to consolidate her hold on Castle Mayskull.

Probably best avoided, yeah?

 

[chilango]

Are you not?

Why not?

'Cos the Labour Party, and the Lib Dems, are the enemy too.

 

[Old Spark]

Good thing we're focusing on attacking the Tories, innit?

Sadly that ship has sailed -corbyns crap at it and voters wont listen to him.

So I need something to cheer me up.

 

[emanymton]

Agreed, but right now, witch Theresa is going to consolidate her hold on Castle Mayskull.

Probably best avoided, yeah?

That is a very tempting position, and I still haven't decided exactly how I feel about the current election. But it is exactly that argument that has got us in the current situation. A focus on opposing the Tories as a party rather than actually engaging in class struggle.

 

[mikey mikey]

'Cos the Labour Party, and the Lib Dems, are the enemy too.

They're certainly Corbyn's. Oh and if I was living in Scotland, I'd be thunking just that.

 

[mikey mikey]

Sadly that ship has sailed

No, that ship was sunk in the bay before it even launched.

 

[chilango]

Daft. Completely letting her off the hook.

Jeremy will not take part in an opposition leaders' debate. The British people have the right to see a head-to-head debate between the only two people who could form the next Government - and the prime minister's refusal is a sign of weakness, not of strength."

(from the BBC)

 

[gosub]

Daft. Completely letting her off the hook.

(from the BBC)

I think both Torys and Labour don't wish to aid a Lib Dem rebirth

 

[DotCommunist]

I'd love to see Theresa May saying 'I agree with Tim' half a dozen times.

 

[Pickman's model]

Sadly that ship has sailed -corbyns crap at it and voters wont listen to him.

So I need something to cheer me up.

 

[redcogs]

Special Brews ok but doesn't quite do it..

 

[redsquirrel]

Daft. Completely letting her off the hook.

(from the BBC)

Stupid, he could have used to opportunity to batter the LibDems

 

[paolo]

I'd love to see Theresa May saying 'I agree with Tim' half a dozen times.

Ugh. I'd forgotten about that.

 

[treelover]

Liberals like Polly want to declare a popular front against the ugly spectre of fascism staring us in the face, which is fine, but without really including the left... They just demand our votes.

They expect us to go along with their paper-thin cosmopolitanism, that welcomes every kind of person mostly on the basis of their cuisine, and a generally capitalist economy in which the rich get to do what they want and the poor have to work long thankless hours just to feed themselves. They wish the situation was parallel with France, where the french election is now between a nazi and an investment banker. For now the nazis are a great gift for centrism, route popular anger into fascism and the status quo suddenly isn't so bad. But it is, it's just a different sort of bad. Like everyone I want Macron to win the second round but his awful non-politics virtually guarantee a National Front win in 2022, the only question asked of the voters is whether they want things to get worse slowly or catastrophically...

They don't realise that people are kicking back against the sanitised face of bland focus-groups and greasy sheen of the PR industry is the thing they represent. The friendly face of the financial sector, manifest. These people aren't just craven careerists, they'll gladly sacrifice their jobs to further anti-socialism. They are giddy with anticipation to see Corbyn crushed. They never wanted to be lead by a bearded, veggie, anti-nuke, pacifist lefty, and it is there stubborn intransgience that has allowed our gurning, grimacing, parochial, vicar’s daughter of a Prime Minister the ability to paint over a divided country with a false unity in Parliament, so she can exercise her supreme will.

Two years worth of briefings, plots, resignations and a reckless, death-wish coup attempt amid the country’s most urgent political moment, in attempt to crush any left wing representation in parliament. Was it worth it? Really? Whilst old people slowly shiver to death in their homes and die in hospital corridors, disabled people suffer continual state supervision of their lives, dinosaur corporations crush small businesses underneath the weight of their behemoth greed? You might just get your quasi-human, automaton centrist who'll uphold your liberal values, unless there are imperialist wars to be fought or the public bank statement looks a bit grim, then it's business as usual - Apathy-inducing, aspiration crushing tedium.

Fantastic reply btl to Toynbee's article on Labour.

 

[Old Spark]

Dugher talks dirty.

Michael Dugher: 'A remarkable achievement' for Jeremy Corbyn to be doing so badly

 

[agricola]

Dugher talks dirty.

Michael Dugher: 'A remarkable achievement' for Jeremy Corbyn to be doing so badly

Anyone on reading that would be forgiven for not realizing that Dugher's career path treads the familiar path of senior officer in Labour Students - cushy union job - SPAD - lobbying - safe seat.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Labour have been in decline since the early 2000s, culminating in losing the 2010 election. Then turning to a 'less hard and fast' right austerity agenda to desperately stay in power. And that failed to stop the decline too which is why we've had turmoil in Labour since and why Corbyn got elected leader twice because the alternatives were also on the right.

Party membership started declining around 2003 - I wonder why? - from the 2001 peak, sank from a 400,000+ to less than a half of that under Miliband. Even in "tribal" Labour wards in Lambeth, local branches went into suspension because they couldn't even raise a quorum at meetings, and constituency associations were left to the right of the party. Loads of decent centre-left activists left the party because of Blair. A good number of them have returned under Corbyn. Perhaps Andrew Hertford 's local party wasn't dying, but loads were, throughout the country - even the NEC acknowledged that back in 2011. Corbyn has at least revitalised grassroots local politics - something no amount of membership drives under Blair, Brown or Miliband managed, post-2003. As for his constant banal references to "the far left", Corbyn is about as far left as Michael bloody Foot, measured on any rational political scale.