Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[James McFadden]

yeah momentum deaths squads are calling for you.

"and you and you...Jez'll fix it for you" Now then, now then...az it happens

 

[likesfish]

It's politics its not a nice or fair game.
If you are going to play on the national stage you have to expect people to play dirty and if you keep putting up giant Glasshouses people are going to lob rocks

 

[J Ed]

Someone on Momentum FB hasn't got the memo, just used the term 'Zio's



yeah momentum deaths squads are calling for you.

I think I saw the same post or one like it. Also comparisons to Stalinist purges of Trots in the Eastern Bloc!

Have you seen the stuff calling for a retaliatory purge of AWL members?

This whole thing is just so stupid I am still having difficulty processing what is going on. Imagine if any of these people ever managed to get anything resembling real power.

 

[J Ed]

Even fucking UKIP has the nous to get rid of people like this, and quickly, but that is obviously far beyond what we can expect here. Instead they are planning months of trench warfare to get someone who is obviously both an idiot and a bigot (the only things worth disputing is what percentage of each are at play) reinstated to what is in the scheme of things a pretty meaningless position in an organisation with limited influence anyway.

 

[emanymton]

I think I saw the same post or one like it. Also comparisons to Stalinist purges of Trots in the Eastern Bloc!

Have you seen the stuff calling for a retaliatory purge of AWL members?

This whole thing is just so stupid I am still having difficulty processing what is going on. Imagine if any of these people ever managed to get anything resembling real power.

Drive out the sort people why say "zio's" and then purge the AWL, that would be moving in a positive direction.

 

[Pickman's model]

She, Jackie, has asked people not to resign, lots saying they will, mostly angry anti-zionists, very.

Very

 

[chilango]

Drive out the sort people why say "zio's" and then purge the AWL, that would be moving in a positive direction.

Nah. Keep 'em in. Safely occupied. In a "battle for the Labour Party" and out of the way of anything real. Get all the lefties in. Left Unity, People's Assembly, StWC, TUSC...the lot of 'em. It'll be a dream come true for them. Hopefully it'll keep them busy enough to be off the streets for a good while.

 

[Sprocket.]

The time has probably passed to start a Jackie Walker's Time is up thread,
do we think?

 

[mauvais]

If you call it "Jackie Walker's Red Libel" I want my fee.

 

[killer b]

She, Jackie, has asked people not to resign, lots saying they will, mostly angry anti-zionists, very.

Bet they'll be missed.

 

[Red Cat]

Even fucking UKIP has the nous to get rid of people like this, and quickly, but that is obviously far beyond what we can expect here. Instead they are planning months of trench warfare to get someone who is obviously both an idiot and a bigot (the only things worth disputing is what percentage of each are at play) reinstated to what is in the scheme of things a pretty meaningless position in an organisation with limited influence anyway.

And then what? When you get rid of the idiot and the bigot. What happens then?

 

[butchersapron]

And then what? When you get rid of the idiot and the bigot. What happens then?

Depends how many people they have like this I suppose.

 

[Red Cat]

Depends how many people they have like this I suppose.

I work psychoanalytically, I mean that's my day job, and the more I do my job the more I see this process of getting rid of is ubiquitous, in individuals and groups and organisations. The thing that is got rid of though, I'm not sure if its ever really got rid of; when an organisation gets rid of a bully, the same kind of group dynamic tends to resurface, it just moves around. So I'm wondering, this person or people are got rid of (and I'm not saying they shouldn't be) and then what happens?

I don't intend to be psychologically reductionist, but other people here can do the political and the economic much better than I can.

 

[butchersapron]

The return of the repressed.The 770 foot Jackie Walker we talked about earlier.

Tbh in terms of how this plays out for jackie walker, and momentum and labour are all different questions with different answers depending on what the motivation behind the question is. I've been responding on the simple political plane - i wouldn't want to, or wouldn't be a member of an organisation that had this person as a leading member and i would make moves to 'get rid'. But i recognise this might place me rather close to the anarchist party police that seem to be very evident in the Labour Party right now.

 

[chilango]

I work psychoanalytically, I mean that's my day job, and the more I do my job the more I see this process of getting rid of is ubiquitous, in individuals and groups and organisations. The thing that is got rid of though, I'm not sure if its ever really got rid of; when an organisation gets rid of a bully, the same kind of group dynamic tends to resurface, it just moves around. So I'm wondering, this person or people are got rid of (and I'm not saying they shouldn't be) and then what happens?

I don't intend to be psychologically reductionist, but other people here can do the political and the economic much better than I can.

Interesting.

I work a lot with group dynamics amongst young people and have observed "tipping points" where the balance of group behaviours can decisively shift after the addition or removal of individual young people.

Edit to add: I also often work with young people who have been "got rid of" from a range of contexts.

 

[nino_savatte]

there's only one of us 'outraged' here. It isn't me.

Hilarious.

I agree anti-semitism isn't a problem unique to Labour, but there are a couple of strands of anti-semitic thought which have found their way into parts of the far left (and now with the rise of Corbyn, Labour) - mostly through conspiracy and pro-palestine stuff - which are pretty much unique to the far left, and are real. That there are racists in the ranks of the tories and ukip is irrelevant - we're supposed to hold our allies to higher standards than our enemies aren't we?

Just great. You're doing the job of the witch-hunters for them.

 

[nino_savatte]

In that case what was her not anti-Semitic motivation for falsely claiming that Jews were the chief financiers of the slave trade and that non-Jews are excluded from Holocaust memorial day?

The 5 - 9 million people that were killed in the Congo Free State aren't mentioned nor are the millions of Africans that died during the slave trade. She was right to indicate the selectivity of Holocaust Memorial Day.

Casting aspersions on her Jewishness sails pretty close to racism in my view.

 

[nino_savatte]

It's funny how some of you continue to believe that all Jews are outraged by Jackie Walker. Not true. Will you call these people "self-hating Jews"?

 

[butchersapron]

Interesting.

I work a lot with group dynamics amongst young people and have observed "tipping points" where the balance of group behaviours can decisively shift after the addition or removal of individual young people.

Edit to add: I also often work with young people who have been "got rid of" from a range of contexts.

Traces of ways thing 'were done' will always exist after the person animating those ways is gone - whether in mute replication or specific formal rejection.

 

[butchersapron]

It's funny how some of you continue to believe that all Jews are outraged by Jackie Walker. Not true. Will you call these people "self-hating Jews"?

Name these people - there must be 'some' right? And then nail that last "self-hating jews" bit to them.

 

[treelover]

I think I saw the same post or one like it. Also comparisons to Stalinist purges of Trots in the Eastern Bloc!

Have you seen the stuff calling for a retaliatory purge of AWL members?

This whole thing is just so stupid I am still having difficulty processing what is going on. Imagine if any of these people ever managed to get anything resembling real power.

lots leaving are I think, ex left unity, serial joiners,

btw, they are also convinced Jackie has been expelled from Momentum, she hasn't, in fact she is still on steering committee.

 

[bimble]

Nor if some who weren't anti-semites before, become such as a result of being attacked in this way ...

I think this is true, sadly. Nobody wins here apart from the people who have got it in for JC & Momentum. I mean Walker & Livingstone being ousted in a giant media circus certainly isn't going to reduce the total amount of conspiracy theory Zio stuff likely to be going around in the future.

 

[Red Cat]

The return of the repressed.The 770 foot Jackie Walker we talked about earlier.

Tbh in terms of how this plays out for jackie walker, and momentum and labour are all different questions with different answers depending on what the motivation behind the question is. I've been responding on the simple political plane - i wouldn't want to, or wouldn't be a member of an organisation that had this person as a leading member and i would make moves to 'get rid'. But i recognise this might place me rather close to the anarchist party police that seem to be very evident in the Labour Party right now.

Yes, I think the 770 foot Jackie Walker puts it very well.

 

[chilango]

Traces of ways thing 'were done' will always exist after the person animating those ways is gone - whether in mute replication or specific formal rejection.

Something about environment/context and structures too.

 

[nino_savatte]

Name these people - there must be 'some' right? And then nail that last "self-hating jews" bit to them.

Would it kill you to click on the link?

 

[butchersapron]

Would it kill you to click on the link?

Is it a link to posters here and what they're saying or have said? Because your post was - quite specifically and deliberately.

 

[nino_savatte]

Richard Silverstein isn't a self-hating Jew either.
UK Israel Lobby Excoriates Leading Jewish Corbyn Supporter for Pointing Out Jews Weren't Only Victims of Holocaust - Tikun Olam תיקון עולם

 

[nino_savatte]

Is it a link to posters here and what they're saying or have said? Because your post was - quite specifically and deliberately.

Huh? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[inva]

Huh?

who is the 'some of you' you referred to?

 

[nino_savatte]

who is the 'some of you' you referred to?

I'm sorry, am I now supposed to provide a list? I think you know who you are.