Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[inva]

Go on, I'm really not aware of this...

from a wider problem in the left of Occupy/Anonymous/money cranks/Free Men on the Land/Zeitgeist/truthers a fairly substantial number in or emerging from that orbit have ended up in Labour or Corbyn supporters. As mentioned The Canary is a good example.

I don't think they'd amount to more than a relatively small minority but they have a loud voice on the internet and are good at circulating their ideas.

It's been an issue in anti cuts/disability stuff from my experience, and that's moved into Labour to quite an extent.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

That might be true but if that was all it took then perhaps they were close to being anti-Semites in the first place.

Things can have more than one cause (Heading off out, so no time for longer reply. Will try to expand later.)

 

[brogdale]

from a wider problem in the left of Occupy/Anonymous/money cranks/Free Men on the Land/Zeitgeist/truthers a fairly substantial number in or emerging from that orbit have ended up in Labour or Corbyn supporters. As mentioned The Canary is a good example.

I don't think they'd amount to more than a relatively small minority but they have a loud voice on the internet and are good at circulating their ideas.

It's been an issue in anti cuts/disability stuff from my experience, and that's moved into Labour to quite an extent.

Do you think it's useful to view the Walker incident in this context?

 

[Idris2002]

Do you think it's useful to view the Walker incident in this context?

They're both examples of the dangers of bullshit.

 

[likesfish]

Everyone who took part in the slave trade waso evil it was done for money and because they could.
It was done for profit not because the jews or the Whites saw africans as sub human that came later to justify carrying on with it.

 

[Raheem]

I think that you can scarcely say that what is happening is that anti-Corbyn people are laying traps and Corbynites are falling into them. What seems to be happening is that people in the Corbyn camp are responsible for these scenarios in which lay traps of their own making which they enthusiastically throw themselves into and are then followed by thousands of others.

In the case at hand, maybe we have on the one hand a hapless, pratfalling amateur but, on the other, we also have someone secretly filming from the back of the room and passing the video to the press.

 

[bimble]

They're both examples of the dangers of bullshit.

and of the problems you end up with when you can't resist simple stories about us and Them.

 

[Idris2002]

and of the problems you end up with when you can't resist simple stories about us and Them.

That would be the case with Walker's Yank style identity politics, at any rate. There must be some analyses that link that sort of politics to the ethnic machine politics that have been the norm in the U.S. since the 19th century.

 

[killer b]

In the case at hand, maybe we have on the one hand a hapless, pratfalling amateur but, on the other, we also have someone secretly filming from the back of the room and passing the video to the press.

Considering the constant attacks against Momentum from this particular angle, could they really expect anything else? It was inevitable that every session with a bearing on anti-semitism was going to be monitored - if they'd an ounce of sense they'd have made sure Walker was on the other side of the building doing something (anything) else.

 

[inva]

Do you think it's useful to view the Walker incident in this context?

my initial post was referring to the response by pro Corbyn supporters

 

[brogdale]

my initial post was referring to the response by pro Corbyn supporters

OK.

 

[Raheem]

Considering the constant attacks against Momentum from this particular angle, could they really expect anything else? It was inevitable that every session with a bearing on anti-semitism was going to be monitored - if they'd an ounce of sense they'd have made sure Walker was on the other side of the building doing something (anything) else.

You're probably right, but the point I was making was against the denial that anyone is on the hunt for this type of thing.

 

[inva]

OK.

by the way, apologies if I've been making heavy weather of this - it's not been a good day

 

[brogdale]

Considering the constant attacks against Momentum from this particular angle, could they really expect anything else? It was inevitable that every session with a bearing on anti-semitism was going to be monitored - if they'd an ounce of sense they'd have made sure Walker was on the other side of the building doing something (anything) else.

I probably a bit behind the curve of this story, but did she actually say things in the meeting that could be construed as anti-semitic? I thought I'd read that she came out with some woefully ill-informed stuff about definitions and HMD, and that had triggered the media feeding frenzy that had produced the more damaging quotes? Added to which, I'd imagine that it would have been a ballsy Momentum organiser who would have shunted the Vice Chair somewhere else?

 

[Red Cat]

That might be true but if that was all it took then perhaps they were close to being anti-Semites in the first place.

I think we're all close to being racist or sexist or ablist or any number of different ways in which we get rid of things we don't like about ourselves by a process of projection and scapegoating. Its precisely this need to expel the bad stuff that is going on in the labour party etc. Just get rid of it - look its over there, not here.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Also the Moors kidnapped Cornish people, remember that

I always knew that Bobby Moore was a wrong'un!

 

[mojo pixy]

Everyone and their dog has been slaves at some point. The dog still is, for the most part.

Anyway, ''Non Angli, sed Angeli'' etc. Nobody really has a monopoly on being exploited, downtrodden and abused for fun and profit. Except the poor, obvs.

 

[mojo pixy]

I should've quoted a couple of earlier posts for that, but whatever.

Hey look, Labour still fighting itself! What a bunch of clowns!
(that's the main point anyway)

 

[J Ed]

Virtually every Momentum group seems to be signing and giving a statement in favour of Jackie Walker. What a waste.

 

[DotCommunist]

Virtually every Momentum group seems to be signing and giving a statement in favour of Jackie Walker. What a waste.

bunker mentality? niavety?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

bunker mentality? niavety?

Social media is a powerful groupthink amplifier, especially when that group is subject to concerted attack ...

 

[newbie]

Which wouldn't be difficult.

this (repeal the FTPA) has been discussed before. Apparently, according to lawyers who study this stuff, it's not possible to just repeal it and thus return to the previous, unwritten, constitutional arrangements. A new statutory arrangement would have to be created, which brings with it weighty questions of concentration of power in the hands of the PM. So simple repeal is not going to happen.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Tony Greenstein's Blog: Jon Lansman Replies to the Letter from Jewish Momentum Supporters

In letters...

 

[killer b]

Tony Greenstein's Blog: Jon Lansman Replies to the Letter from Jewish Momentum Supporters

In letters...

What do you think?

 

[teqniq]

Interestingly in relation to Greenstein:



May not be directly related but would be unsurprised if it was.

 

[Treacle Toes]

What do you think?

I am at work and don't have time to read them. The link seems relevant to recent posts/discussion here though.

 

[killer b]

I am at work and don't have time to read them.

Are you familiar with Greenstein? I'm not sure if I'd post anything of his uncritically - he's pretty unhinged.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Are you familiar with Greenstein? I'm not sure if I'd post anything of his uncritically - he's pretty unhinged.

No, I have no clue who he is. I will bear your comments in mind when I read him.

 

[killer b]

You've posted a link to an article you haven't read, written by a source you've no idea of the reliability of? Why?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Virtually every Momentum group seems to be signing and giving a statement in favour of Jackie Walker. What a waste.

bunker mentality? niavety?

I am at work and don't have time to read them. The link seems relevant to recent posts/discussion here though.