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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

brogdale said:
Go on, I'm really not aware of this...
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from a wider problem in the left of Occupy/Anonymous/money cranks/Free Men on the Land/Zeitgeist/truthers a fairly substantial number in or emerging from that orbit have ended up in Labour or Corbyn supporters. As mentioned The Canary is a good example.

I don't think they'd amount to more than a relatively small minority but they have a loud voice on the internet and are good at circulating their ideas.

It's been an issue in anti cuts/disability stuff from my experience, and that's moved into Labour to quite an extent.
 
inva said:
from a wider problem in the left of Occupy/Anonymous/money cranks/Free Men on the Land/Zeitgeist/truthers a fairly substantial number in or emerging from that orbit have ended up in Labour or Corbyn supporters. As mentioned The Canary is a good example.

I don't think they'd amount to more than a relatively small minority but they have a loud voice on the internet and are good at circulating their ideas.

It's been an issue in anti cuts/disability stuff from my experience, and that's moved into Labour to quite an extent.
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Do you think it's useful to view the Walker incident in this context?
 
Everyone who took part in the slave trade waso evil it was done for money and because they could.
It was done for profit not because the jews or the Whites saw africans as sub human that came later to justify carrying on with it.
 
J Ed said:
I think that you can scarcely say that what is happening is that anti-Corbyn people are laying traps and Corbynites are falling into them. What seems to be happening is that people in the Corbyn camp are responsible for these scenarios in which lay traps of their own making which they enthusiastically throw themselves into and are then followed by thousands of others.
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In the case at hand, maybe we have on the one hand a hapless, pratfalling amateur but, on the other, we also have someone secretly filming from the back of the room and passing the video to the press.
 
bimble said:
and of the problems you end up with when you can't resist simple stories about us and Them.
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That would be the case with Walker's Yank style identity politics, at any rate. There must be some analyses that link that sort of politics to the ethnic machine politics that have been the norm in the U.S. since the 19th century.
 
Raheem said:
In the case at hand, maybe we have on the one hand a hapless, pratfalling amateur but, on the other, we also have someone secretly filming from the back of the room and passing the video to the press.
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Considering the constant attacks against Momentum from this particular angle, could they really expect anything else? It was inevitable that every session with a bearing on anti-semitism was going to be monitored - if they'd an ounce of sense they'd have made sure Walker was on the other side of the building doing something (anything) else.
 
killer b said:
Considering the constant attacks against Momentum from this particular angle, could they really expect anything else? It was inevitable that every session with a bearing on anti-semitism was going to be monitored - if they'd an ounce of sense they'd have made sure Walker was on the other side of the building doing something (anything) else.
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You're probably right, but the point I was making was against the denial that anyone is on the hunt for this type of thing.
 
killer b said:
Considering the constant attacks against Momentum from this particular angle, could they really expect anything else? It was inevitable that every session with a bearing on anti-semitism was going to be monitored - if they'd an ounce of sense they'd have made sure Walker was on the other side of the building doing something (anything) else.
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I probably a bit behind the curve of this story, but did she actually say things in the meeting that could be construed as anti-semitic? I thought I'd read that she came out with some woefully ill-informed stuff about definitions and HMD, and that had triggered the media feeding frenzy that had produced the more damaging quotes? Added to which, I'd imagine that it would have been a ballsy Momentum organiser who would have shunted the Vice Chair somewhere else?
 
J Ed said:
That might be true but if that was all it took then perhaps they were close to being anti-Semites in the first place.
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I think we're all close to being racist or sexist or ablist or any number of different ways in which we get rid of things we don't like about ourselves by a process of projection and scapegoating. Its precisely this need to expel the bad stuff that is going on in the labour party etc. Just get rid of it - look its over there, not here.
 
Everyone and their dog has been slaves at some point. The dog still is, for the most part.

Anyway, ''Non Angli, sed Angeli'' etc. Nobody really has a monopoly on being exploited, downtrodden and abused for fun and profit. Except the poor, obvs.

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I should've quoted a couple of earlier posts for that, but whatever.

Hey look, Labour still fighting itself! What a bunch of clowns!
(that's the main point anyway)
 
Raheem said:
Which wouldn't be difficult.
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this (repeal the FTPA) has been discussed before. Apparently, according to lawyers who study this stuff, it's not possible to just repeal it and thus return to the previous, unwritten, constitutional arrangements. A new statutory arrangement would have to be created, which brings with it weighty questions of concentration of power in the hands of the PM. So simple repeal is not going to happen.
 
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