Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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Supine
Newt Member
Cameron just lost a whole feckin country
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
And there you hit on the root of the problem.
I mean I liked Corbyn, I hoped he'd do well and his performance has been fairly good, not the best and he has sadly so far not managed to reign in the shits in the party or get the air time needed to make a difference in making sure Labour is more visible.
He's also not managed to make enough hay out of this argy-bargy in the Tory party which is somewhat distressing.
I can see him needing to go, but sadly theres just empty fucking suits who'd have been even worse.
crossthebreeze
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Fucking stupid wankers if this happens now. I'm not a Corbyn fan, definately not Labour, but wtf do they want to lose the benefit of continuity and go back to the Blair/Brown politics which was the source of at least some of the Leave vote (ie using free movement of labour to increase benefits conditionality (telling us taht British unemployed workers were apparently lazy or uneducated compared to Polish migrant workers and not put any measures in to stop the undermining of pay and condition). They need to pull together, analyse where they've gone wrong now and in the past, start listening to working class people, and then try to be a strong voice on the issues that are being negotiated in the exit process, and try to win elections.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why is it a forgeone conclusion that corbyn will not win again if it comes to a vote? It's not even a foregone conclusion that it will come to a vote.So now Labour will get a new leader, probably one out of those two that neither the party faithful nor the general public showed any interest in a year ago, and return to an utterly discredited blairite program. I'm sure that will help make them relevant again
But then I shouldn't speak too soon. It could be Jarvis or Umunna.
The right of the party would probably try to insist that Corbyn needs to be nominated by MPs again. I don't think that issue was ever resolved.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I'm just playing out the hypothetical scenario of the no confidence vote working and the backstabbers getting their way. I honestly have no idea what will happen, or if Corbyn would even stand for re-election. He mostly looks like a man eternally appalled everything and everyone around him tbh, maybe he'd relish the chance to retire.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He'd need 35 MPs again. I think there's easily enough that number now reliant on him for position.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
He's not a good communicator.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
That is an absurd criticism in this context, though. Corbyn is being blamed because he had a position that was honest and truthful.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Because there is a group of people with a very different agenda than you - and they have placed more importance on it than on the health of the labour party (and by extension the people it claims to be working to represent and further the interests of). This is what's commonly called sectarianism in politics.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and rightly so. where would we be if our politicians were honest and truthful?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
He wasn't even given the chance. His treacherous party and the lickspittle centerist media screwed any chance he had.
Plumdaff
joy in people
Would he have survived to this point if he'd tried that. He'd likely have faced a larger no confidence motion from the PLP and wouldn't have had the support of a most of the wider party. Neat as that now seems, I'm fairly sure he considered it, and I'm not convinced it was ever a viable option.
ska invita
back on the other side
He is happy about Exit, so you never know, he might be able to lead from the front a bit more now.
Having said that his interview this morning wasn't exactly barnstorming.
Having said that his interview this morning wasn't exactly barnstorming.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
When would they have enacted the non-confidence motion? Before the referendum? It's up to John Cryer to accept motions of no-confidence and there would be clear grounds for not accepting one at such a crucial time.
Plumdaff
joy in people
As soon as he'd declared for out, months ago, not right before the vote. When has it being a crucial time stopped anti Corbyn Labour MPs? They'd have framed it as a necessary intervention over such an important issue.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They certainly could - and cryer could still have turned it down on the basis that they were free to make their interventions on such an important issue by all means up to but not including a no-confidence vote at this time. Which is actually what happened to those labour leavers - freedom to argue as they liked on such a crucial issue.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's nothing to do with elections but assumed ownership of the labour party.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So what?
cantsin
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cantsin
Well-Known Member
as shown in the two UK by elections so far
Plumdaff
joy in people
So do you think the 63% of the Labour base that went Remain were 'soft' Remain voters that Corbyn could have won to Leave then? Wouldn't we be here discussing how Corbyn had lost London, Leeds, Manchester, Cardiff etc. and could now never win a GE if he'd gone Leave?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The idea that corbyn could win round 3-4% of leave voters to remain is a nonsense. Those that might listen would be those that the labour party have lost since 2001.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Would we - are we discussing him losing all trad labour areas that went leave? And i think we need constituency results for those larger cities you mention above - that's what counts, not what the total across these cities were. There are plenty of non-labour mps in these places.
cantsin
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I literally don't
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