Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[agricola]

Should have just openly came out for leave. Would have been basis for The Great Reconciliation. Politically/electorally at least.

Indeed. His two worst moments as leader have come as the result of the PLP doing what it wanted.

 

[Riklet]

Labour are politically fucked and unelectable Corbyn or no Corbyn.

I think he's well placed to cash in on this tho and won't be going anywhere

 

[ViolentPanda]

Chuka -

Currently, the skeletons in his closet probably rule him out - the same skeletons that saw him withdrawing from the leadership election last year.

 

[butchersapron]

He's trying to make the most of it by demanding immediate activation of article 50 and tying that immediacy to the reasons trad labour voters opted for leave. That's sensible politics.

 

[SpookyFrank]

If all these anti-corbyn labour MPs had spent less time sharpening knives and more time doing some actual work Labour might be in a better position.

 

[ViolentPanda]

They'd have to find a safe seat for DM first.

Maybe the Blairites will blot their copybook so badly they'll hand JC a handy stick to beat them with?

What, like Batley & Spen, perhaps? That's if they don't fall back on the old device of some back-bencher quitting to make room for the horrible little shit.

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

If Corbyn falls left could do worse than put up Clive Lewis against whatever Blairite corporate shill the establishment push forward. Lewis seems the sort of combative sort they need in these difficult times?

 

[The39thStep]

Did Labour actually spell out what reforms they would make if we were to remain in the EU?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

It won't be a Blairite - they are a bust flush. Even they see that. Any challenge will come from Watson and the TU/soft left grouping.

Butchers is spot on by the way, if Corbyn had led the out campaign some form of fence building may have been possible. Some of us did say this at the time but as usual in their rush to put themselves in the opposite camp to the working class nobody was listening.

 

[ViolentPanda]

If Corbyn falls left could do worse than put up Clive Lewis against whatever Blairite corporate shill the establishment push forward. Lewis seems the sort of combative sort they need in these difficult times?

Lewis pushes all the buttons, but he's a noob. The PLP - a body full of grafting non-entities and self-promoting narcissists - are about as likely to vote for him, as they are for McDonnell.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Did Labour actually spell out what reforms they would make if we were to remain in the EU?

They spelt out what they wanted to keep/go further on. I think last night was the end for Labour in lots of places. Or maybe it's more accurate to say it's now or never for them in working class areas that voted out.

 

[butchersapron]

Did Labour actually spell out what reforms they would make if we were to remain in the EU?

The only one I saw Watson promising a future labour govt would work too end the freedom of movement. The thing that many on the liberal left of the remain side that he supported put forward as a key thing to defend.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The only one I saw Watson promising a future labour govt would work too end the freedom of movement. The thing that many on the liberal left of the remain side that he supported put forward as a key thing to defend.

Corbyn immediately came out against that mind.

 

[mk12]

Should have just openly came out for leave. Would have been basis for The Great Reconciliation. Politically/electorally at least.

I agree. I was gutted when he came out for remain.

 

[butchersapron]

Corbyn immediately came out against that mind.

Andy Burnham was back at it first thing this morning...

 

[TopCat]

How can they gain advantage with a working class clearly at odds with them over the biggest issue in decades?

All the polls showed Labour voters were overwhelmingly for exit. Did Labour represent them? No. Instead as you say they shared platforms with Torys and jointly lectured us. This was Corbyns test and he failed. I resigned my membership as a result. Not that I was an entirely commuted member mind.

 

[rubbershoes]

I actually thought Corbyn's position on this was the only sensible position a remain supporting politician could take. .

I have no idea what his position on it was.

 

[steeplejack]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Blairites make an attempt to oust Corbyn with a potential GE in mind. David Milliband ?

No, that "strong leader" ex-Army type from Barnsley that Blairites were cooing over last year. Can't mind his name.

Miliband is not in parliament and has form as a ditherer and shitebag. Not what Labour needs. Mind you, I suspect the thing Labour needs most after last night is a defilibrator and some jump leads.

 

[agricola]

Corbyn immediately came out against that mind.

That call from Watson - which was nonsense, as there is no way the EU would have agreed to it - was one of the topics discussed at one of the last Labour Remain events.

 

[mk12]

All the polls showed Labour voters were overwhelmingly for exit. Did Labour represent them? No. Instead as you say they shared platforms with Torys and jointly lectured us. This was Corbyns test and he failed. I resigned my membership as a result. Not that I was an entirely commuted member mind.

I don't think the polls showed that Labour voters were 'overwhelmingly' for exit, although I suspect that your statement is true in regard to w/c Labour voters.

 

[agricola]

Mind you, I suspect the thing Labour needs most after last night is a defilibrator and some jump leads.

The PLP does need to be shocked back into reality. This is what, the fourth or fifth electoral humiliation they have suffered? At what point do they recognize that this is about them?

 

[The39thStep]

No, that "strong leader" ex-Army type from Barnsley that Blairites were cooing over last year. Can't mind his name.

Miliband is not in parliament and has form as a ditherer and shitebag. Not what Labour needs. Mind you, I suspect the thing Labour needs most after last night is a defilibrator and some jump leads.

Either my watch has stopped or there is no pulse

 

[SpookyFrank]

What, like Batley & Spen, perhaps? That's if they don't fall back on the old device of some back-bencher quitting to make room for the horrible little shit.

This may not be the time to bring it up but is there really a place called Spen? I know Yorkshire's depressing and all but that's just ridiculous.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Andy Burnham was back at it first thing this morning...

He was. Perhaps it was a really clever ploy to face both ways at once that just looked fucking stupid?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

No, that "strong leader" ex-Army type from Barnsley that Blairites were cooing over last year. Can't mind his name.

Dan Jarvis.

 

[steeplejack]

Thanks, that's him

 

[DaveCinzano]

The PLP does need to be shocked back into reality.

If by that you mean strung up by their thumbs with their feet dangling in a swimming pool as toasters are tossed in, then I suspect you might have hit upon that magic moment of consensus that could reunite the nation once more!

 

[The39thStep]

Andy Burnham was back at it first thing this morning...

Be interesting to see if he rethinks his candiru re for Manchester mayor, far from a shoe in from what I hear.

 

[ViolentPanda]

All the polls showed Labour voters were overwhelmingly for exit. Did Labour represent them? No. Instead as you say they shared platforms with Torys and jointly lectured us. This was Corbyns test and he failed. I resigned my membership as a result. Not that I was an entirely commuted member mind.

So, just a "fellow-traveller", really?

 

[The39thStep]

No, that "strong leader" ex-Army type from Barnsley that Blairites were cooing over last year. Can't mind his name.

Miliband is not in parliament and has form as a ditherer and shitebag. Not what Labour needs. Mind you, I suspect the thing Labour needs most after last night is a defilibrator and some jump leads.

Barry Mainwairing