Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[sheothebudworths]

This is interesting too, and trails the idea of McDonnell staying on as shadow chancellor if Corbyn is ousted - something that occurred to me as a possible way that might be seized on to bridge the gap between 'centrists' and the left - I understand McDonnell has proved unexpectedly popular...

Labour After the Earthquake

That is interesting!
Although it makes me feel stupidly sad, too - they're like bff's!

In parliament?

There was something I read earlier coming vaguely from one of the resigners (can't remember who ) which claimed, with some *outrage* indicated, that a far more frothing McDonnell spoke over/for Corbyn during their own meeting with him. Doesn't mean much, I know!

 

[Pickman's model]

Fuck knows. The Scot Labs are now punting a federal UK as a way to keep Scotland in the EU. They converted to this policy this afternoon.

A Caledonian Eire Nua

 

[billy_bob]

I don't get it. Surely they should realise waving SWP banners about just harms his position?

Name something it benefits.

 

[chilango]

I don't get it. Surely they should realise waving SWP banners about just harms his position?

They don't care.

 

[killer b]

Name something it benefits.

The Socialist Workers Party I suppose, but you'd hope they'd be prepared to drop their usual self promotion in this case. Bellends.

 

[billy_bob]

The Socialist Workers Party I suppose

It's not brought them noticeable success so far...

 

[kebabking]

I understood the opposite - that people generally didn't warm to McDonnell nearly as much as to Corbyn. I have to say that surprises me though - I think he has considerably more presence without losing the substance entirely.

if i understand it correctly, within the PLP, and prior to the leadership which Corbyn won, McDonnell was actively disliked on a personal level for being quite an abrasive character, but respected for his wits. Corbyn otoh was regarded as amiable, polite, personally pleasant but not someone you'd put in charge of a bag of cold chips.

since the election, McDonnells' star has definately risen (and not just within the party, or even just sections of it - not only is he obviously bright with interesting ideas, he has grasped that being Shadow Chancellor means looking like, and sounding like, and acting like, your 1950's Bank Manager. it also appears he has a sense of humour. Corbyn however has come across as being thin skinned, humourless, hypocritical and hasn't grasped that looking like a PM in waiting is part of the job - he still looks/acts/sounds like a student union president, and moreover a weak one, because he gets McDonnell to argue his case for him, and won't interact with people who disagree with him.

 

[killer b]

It's not brought them noticeable success so far...

Up until a couple of years ago they were by some distance the biggest hard left group in the country. It works, after a fashion.

 

[killer b]

if i understand it correctly, within the PLP, and prior to the leadership which Corbyn won, McDonnell was actively disliked on a personal level for being quite an abrasive character, but respected for his wits. Corbyn otoh was regarded as amiable, polite, personally pleasant but not someone you'd put in charge of a bag of cold chips.

since the election, McDonnells' star has definately risen (and not just within the party, or even just sections of it - not only is he obviously bright with interesting ideas, he has grasped that being Shadow Chancellor means looking like, and sounding like, and acting like, your 1950's Bank Manager. it also appears he has a sense of humour. Corbyn however has come across as being thin skinned, humourless, hypocritical and hasn't grasped that looking like a PM in waiting is part of the job - he still looks/acts/sounds like a student union president, and moreover a weak one, because he gets McDonnell to argue his case for him, and won't interact with people who disagree with him.

that's my understanding too.

 

[billy_bob]

if i understand it correctly, within the PLP, and prior to the leadership which Corbyn won, McDonnell was actively disliked on a personal level for being quite an abrasive character, but respected for his wits. Corbyn otoh was regarded as amiable, polite, personally pleasant but not someone you'd put in charge of a bag of cold chips.

since the election, McDonnells' star has definately risen (and not just within the party, or even just sections of it - not only is he obviously bright with interesting ideas, he has grasped that being Shadow Chancellor means looking like, and sounding like, and acting like, your 1950's Bank Manager. it also appears he has a sense of humour. Corbyn however has come across as being thin skinned, humourless, hypocritical and hasn't grasped that looking like a PM in waiting is part of the job - he still looks/acts/sounds like a student union president, and moreover a weak one, because he gets McDonnell to argue his case for him, and won't interact with people who disagree with him.

Yes, all of this. McDonnell has put some work into getting connected with alternative economists, the likes of Piketty, Wilkinson and Pickett, etc. and gives the impression of being ready to put forward maybe not radical but certainly quantitatively different economic policies to what we're used to seeing from both sides.

 

[planetgeli]

I don't get it. Surely they should realise waving SWP banners about just harms his position?

Maybe I've been around a bit longer than you (I am an old bastard) but you should know the SWP have NEVER been interested in anyone's position other than their own. All publicity is good publicity? SWP's version is "all publicity is OUR publicity".

Any bandwagon will do. Riding in or out of town.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, all of this. McDonnell has put some work into getting connected with alternative economists, the likes of Piketty, Wilkinson and Pickett, etc. and gives the impression of being ready to put forward maybe not radical but certainly quantitatively different economic policies to what we're used to seeing from both sides.

All the motown greats.

 

[killer b]

I can imagine a Burnham / McDonnell or Eagle / McDonnell double header - they need to offer the membership something, and if McDonnell is impressing already I wouldn't be surprised if that was it.

 

[billy_bob]

Up until a couple of years ago they were by some distance the biggest hard left group in the country. It works, after a fashion.

"...and the winner of Tallest Dwarf 2008 is..."

Just dicking about now. I suppose it does work after a fashion - just not sure what it achieves. I don't disagree with them about everything - it's more that I can't get past the leaden, dogmatic tactics and the personal experience that they're not generally very good at talking to anyone who doesn't already think exactly like them.

 

[billy_bob]

All the motown greats.

I know. 'The Spirit Level' even sounds like a fairly plausible name for their chart-topping duet.

 

[chilango]

Brand exposure is all it is. Product placement.

 

[treelover]

From Staines' blog:



just seen the footage of loud calls to resign during Corbyn's speech and open derision from many sides of the house, including Cameron who even manages to laugh at his opposite number in the middle of his own disastrous position.

Not something that can easily be "toughed out".

You can see most of them learnt their 'craft' in NUS, NOLS

 

[treelover]

This has been reported by 'Dennis Skinner is a Legend' On Facebook:



Has also been confirmed by Stewart McDonald MP.

I saw it, maybe RT.

 

[treelover]

This is interesting too, and trails the idea of McDonnell staying on as shadow chancellor if Corbyn is ousted - something that occurred to me as a possible way that might be seized on to bridge the gap between 'centrists' and the left - I understand McDonnell has proved unexpectedly popular...

Labour After the Earthquake

I'm not surprised, he is the only MP who consistently challenged the welfare reforms, is very personable, very clever and sharp, media friendly as well.

 

[treelover]

I don't want to come over all treelover, but wtf are all those Socialist Worker banners doing at the Corbyn support rally? Fucking bizarre.

Join the club!

 

[Rob Ray]

So, nobody will vote for it, but looks like a break away Scottish Labour might be on the cards now:

That'd be genuinely hilarious to watch.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't want to come over all treelover, but wtf are all those Socialist Worker banners doing at the Corbyn support rally? Fucking bizarre.

They are there to make contacts with angry dissafected naive corbyn supporters who may leave the party and want an outlet for their later anger. That's why a whole bunch of the old left have been hanging around the school gates. They need to latch onto every single thing like this right now as their usual late year student drives don't seem to be producing very much. They're not there like on the olde days to project and image that these protests are organised by and about them - a show of their strength.

 

[a_chap]

Strikes me that the resigners are convinced either that JC can't/won't automatically be in the new ballot or that he won't be re-elected by the people who elected him less than 12 months ago.

 

[treelover]

Good turn out, and yes, too many sect banners.

 

[DotCommunist]

I know. 'The Spirit Level' even sounds like a fairly plausible name for their chart-topping duet.

It was actually the putative title for Yurts 28th album 'Economy of Sound'

 

[mk12]

I don't want to come over all treelover, but wtf are all those Socialist Worker banners doing at the Corbyn support rally? Fucking bizarre.

That doesn't look good, at all. Mass resignations, then he goes and speaks to a crowd waving Trot banners. It's not exactly going to endear him to former Labour voters who voted to leave on Thursday.

 

[Vintage Paw]

They should have someone standing next to the SWP banner-hander-outers handing out their own strips of sticky white paper to stick over the SWP logo.

 

[butchersapron]

That doesn't look good, at all. Mass resignations, then he goes and speaks to a crowd waving Trot banners. It's not exactly going to endear him to former Labour voters who voted to leave on Thursday.

They, for now, are irrelevant. (The swp were leave btw)

 

[mk12]

You know who I mean.

 

[treelover]

They should have someone standing next to the SWP banner-hander-outers handing out their own strips of sticky white paper to stick over the SWP logo.

I think that would be a very good idea, I think it has been tried before.