Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[butchersapron]

You know who I mean.

I don't though. I agree in a wider election being seen next to these people is bad - in this battle, though, one that's a) PLP and b)membership (if they have nay plans or bottle at all) it just doesn't matter.

 

[butchersapron]

I think that would be a very good idea, I think it has been tried before.

They were more commonly just ripped off the top.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Sigh!

 

[Pickman's model]

I think that would be a very good idea, I think it has been tried before.

Traditionally you just rip the 'swp' bit off

 

[SpookyFrank]

I don't get it. Surely they should realise waving SWP banners about just harms his position?

Classic SWP strategy.

1. Wave banners
2. ????????
3. Profit

 

[treelover]

 

[Pickman's model]

Video unavailable

 

[billy_bob]

It was actually the putative title for Yurts 28th album 'Economy of Sound'

Emphatically not a chart-topper, iirc. Mongolian throat singing and 28-minute bongo solos make for strange bedfellows.

 

[treelover]

Something gone wrong, its the Huffington Post video of the rally, Mason Shelly, etc,

 

[Mr Moose]

I can imagine a Burnham / McDonnell or Eagle / McDonnell double header - they need to offer the membership something, and if McDonnell is impressing already I wouldn't be surprised if that was it.

I'm sorry, but in what universe do you (assuming your purpose is not Blairite sabotage) get rid of Jezza for lack of leadership and charisma and promote Angela Eagle?

 

[Vintage Paw]

Traditionally you just rip the 'swp' bit off

I think my point was that the majority of people at these rallies have no idea who the SWP are, and won't think to rip it off or cover it up unless someone tells them. We're living through an age where the politicisation of the 80s and even the 90s ebbed away, and people coming to these rallies are 'fresh' if you like. I mean, there have always been people like that at rallies, but I'd expect there are more now because of the way it's all played out the past couple of decades.

So you have people standing around saying "cover that up" or "rip that off" or you hope people somehow find out who they are on their own.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Classic SWP strategy.

1. Wave banners
2. ????????
3. Profit

Like the SP.

1. Sell papers
2. ????????
3. Profit

 

[treelover]

 

[killer b]

I'm sorry, but in what universe do you (assuming your purpose is not Blairite sabotage) get rid of Jezza for lack of leadership and charisma and promote Angela Eagle?

they aren't getting rid of Corbyn for lack of leadership & charisma.

 

[killer b]

People are still talking about David Miliband as the king over the water ffs, if you want to talk about charisma vacuums

 

[Sirena]

Good turn out, and yes, too many sect banners.

I've just come back from there. Yes. a huge crowd.

I can't think of another party leader in recent years who could have generated a similar personal demonstration of support.

I looked for a pro-Tom Watson rally but I couldn't find any...

 

[treelover]

Across social media Progress types are highlighting the SWP placards, bit of a disaster

Tosh McDonald is a bit loud.

 

[butchersapron]

Across social media Progress types are highlighting the SWP placards, bit of a disaster

Tosh McDonald is a bit loud.

Highlighting to what end and to who? Do you think this effects the plp in the slightest?

 

[Pickman's model]

I think my point was that the majority of people at these rallies have no idea who the SWP are, and won't think to rip it off or cover it up unless someone tells them. We're living through an age where the politicisation of the 80s and even the 90s ebbed away, and people coming to these rallies are 'fresh' if you like. I mean, there have always been people like that at rallies, but I'd expect there are more now because of the way it's all played out the past couple of decades.

So you have people standing around saying "cover that up" or "rip that off" or you hope people somehow find out who they are on their own.

If you don't know who an organisation are you shouldn't wave one of their placards anyway

 

[Smangus]

Seems like the PLP is refusing to work int he shadow cabinet and has gone on strike. Ironic as its the only one they've supported in the last 30 years, cunts.

 

[Rob Ray]

PLP no confidence vote's going ahead, seems likely there'll be a landslide for him to go - guess it's all down to how bloody-minded Corbyn can be (and in fairness, this is a man who's stuck with Labour for 30 years without changing his mind very much, so y'know, pretty bloody minded).

 

[mk12]

Across social media Progress types are highlighting the SWP placards, bit of a disaster

Tosh McDonald is a bit loud.

Yep. Apparently the president of the NUS addressed the rally, starting with 'I'm not actually a member of the Labour Party...'

 

[sheothebudworths]

If you don't know who an organisation are you shouldn't wave one of their placards anyway

I think you're preaching to the converted here!

ETA - Not that it's not worth repeating, mind.

 

[treelover]

"Debbie Abrahams - shadow work and pension secretary"

Anyone know anything about her, apart from wikipedia

 

[mauvais]

Probably the most important political question of the era, so no apologies for interrupting: what's with the Twitter (((brackets)))? Is Dan Hodges contagious? Something about anti-semitism? I feel like I should be relegated to Usenet although knowing my luck that's probably cool again.

 

[Pickman's model]

"Debbie Abrahams - shadow work and pension secretary"

Anyone know anything about her, apart from wikipedia

Have you tried her constituency page?

 

[kebabking]

they aren't getting rid of Corbyn for lack of leadership & charisma.

part of the reason they are getting rid is a lack of leadership & charisma. if Labour was consistantly running at 43% in the polls, with Corbyns approval ratings even higher, do you think this would be happening?

its absolutely true that the majority of the PLP can't stand his politics, and they don't like his plans for the party, but don't pretend that if they thought he was cruising to a 70 seat majority in 2020 (or next April...) the numbers who've resigned and refused to serve in his shadow cabinet would be anything like what they are.

 

[Rob Ray]

part of the reason they are getting rid is a lack of leadership & charisma. if Labour was consistantly running at 43% in the polls, with Corbyns approval ratings even higher, do you think this would be happening?

Sure, but that wasn't going to happen to any Labour party leader. That's the reality they all continually dance around, they have no alternatives that would do better. There's no-one the public gets on with more from the party left, and the party right's obliviousness to the way it hollowed out its own membership and alienated its working class voter base is total. They're killing off a caretaker to install a clown.

 

[Pickman's model]

part of the reason they are getting rid is a lack of leadership & charisma. if Labour was consistantly running at 43% in the polls, with Corbyns approval ratings even higher, do you think this would be happening?

its absolutely true that the majority of the PLP can't stand his politics, and they don't like his plans for the party, but don't pretend that if they thought he was cruising to a 70 seat majority in 2020 (or next April...) the numbers who've resigned and refused to serve in his shadow cabinet would be anything like what they are.

It's been suggested it's to do with chilcot but tbh I do think they would be doing this no matter how jc was doing because many if not most of them think it's their party and not his

 

[killer b]

part of the reason they are getting rid is a lack of leadership & charisma. if Labour was consistantly running at 43% in the polls, with Corbyns approval ratings even higher, do you think this would be happening?]

Leadership and charisma are much easier to project when you don't have your own side kicking your feet out from under you at every opportunity.