Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[steveo87]

It's just another pointless deflection story by the Blue side of Labour.
They can't get Corbyn on policies, because ultimately no one has got any.
They can't get him on principles, because JC's are fairly nailed to the wall and have been for decades.
And they certainly can't get him on personality because OS is pretty much the archetypal identikit modern politician that ultimately lead to people voting for UKIP and the Greens (I know I did).
So they pull this story for some dark recess of some Virgin Trains security room, with the sole intention of deflecting away from theor own narrow minded power trip.

 

[Sue]

Fuck's sake, when will all this be over? So utterly bored of the whole thing.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Video proof that Virgin and Branson are lying about Jeremy Corbyn and #traingate

 

[existentialist]

Ok - so they cocked up by missing their train and their reserved seats so decided to manufacture a PR op out of it instead...

Which is actually even more cynical when you think about it - had seats but too incompetent to claim them on first train so booted onto another train, inconveniencing folk on the first train who wouldn't know whether to take reserved seats or not and folk on the second train where demand for seats would have increased - cue PR op.

Fucking hell. It's like watching Progress Central's Smear-O-Matic running with the doors open.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Looks like Virgin broke the Information Commissioner's code of practice on cctv, which is part of compliance of the Data Protection Act : see section 5.2.2 on disclosure

https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisations/documents/1542/cctv-code-of-practice.pdf

1. Disclosure
   
   Disclosure of information from surveillance systems must be controlled and consistent with the purpose(s) for which the system was established [for "safety and security" in Virgin's case]. For example, it can be appropriate to disclose surveillance information to a law enforcement agency when the purpose of the system is to prevent and detect crime but it would not be appropriate to place them on the internet in most situations. It may also not be appropriate to disclose information about identifiable individuals to the media.
   
   Placing such information on the internet incorrectly, or without full consideration of what is being done, may cause the disclosure of individuals’ personal data and sensitive personal data. In severe cases, this may lead to the ICO taking enforcement action. In 2011 the ICO took action in a case related to streamed CCTV footage that ended up on the YouTubewebsite. Information can be released to the media for identification purposes; this should not generally be done by anyone other than a law enforcement agency.

 

[inva]

It's such a trivial story this that I haven't followed it much. However after 'team corbyn' were forced to admit he walked past empty seats because he wanted 2 seats together it was obvious there was a bit of a game in play. Wants to portray himself as not like the other politicians... film crew... the case for rail nationalisation - come on! In this story he might be up against some almighty cunts, virgin, branson, the press, but let's be honest, he's over egged it for political reasons. He's not Saint Jeremy he's a very naughty boy a career politician who was able to rationalise supporting New Labour for 15 years in Parliament. So it's not impossible he could have been playing a teensy weensy game over this is it?

at risk of going off topic from if there was a free seat on a train or not, I wonder what it would have taken for Corbyn to decide that the Labour Party isn't for him? Iraq War - stuck by them, all manner of anti working class policies - stuck by them, anti disabled policies - stuck by them, anti 'scrounger' policies - stuck by them, racist policies - stuck by them, privatisation - stuck by them, tuition fees - stuck by them, probably loads of other stuff too I can't think of off the top of my head. Did he have some sort of line that if the Party crossed it he'd say, right that's it I can't support them or campaign for people to vote for them anymore.

Far from being ultra principled he seems like the worst kind of party hack to me. At least the Blairites believed in what they were doing - he supposedly didn't. But apparently no matter what Labour did and said he was always there time after time to help shore up the left flank - we can't be that bad because I'm still here! Him and McDonnell. And didn't McDonnell claim at one time to be an anti capitalist? Now he finds himself contemplating what's best for business, just like magic

I don't believe there really was any sort of point where Labour could have gone too far for him. I think his idea of socialism is so shrivelled and pathetic that it just amounts to Labour whatever Labour is and does. There's nothing else really. I guess if it ever came to it we'd find that, just like those Old Labour governments that were so great, it'll turn out that Corbyn and co have simply got to bomb someone or attack our living standards or something like that. Making tough choices. Anyway, if I did an interview with Corbyn that's what I'd ask about.

 

[emanymton]

at risk of going off topic from if there was a free seat on a train or not, I wonder what it would have taken for Corbyn to decide that the Labour Party isn't for him? Iraq War - stuck by them, all manner of anti working class policies - stuck by them, anti disabled policies - stuck by them, anti 'scrounger' policies - stuck by them, racist policies - stuck by them, privatisation - stuck by them, tuition fees - stuck by them, probably loads of other stuff too I can't think of off the top of my head. Did he have some sort of line that if the Party crossed it he'd say, right that's it I can't support them or campaign for people to vote for them anymore

A ban on wearing sandals with socks?

A policy which would have my full support by the way.

 

[emanymton]

It's such a trivial story this that I haven't followed it much. However after 'team corbyn' were forced to admit he walked past empty seats because he wanted 2 seats together it was obvious there was a bit of a game in play. Wants to portray himself as not like the other politicians... film crew... the case for rail nationalisation - come on! In this story he might be up against some almighty cunts, virgin, branson, the press, but let's be honest, he's over egged it for political reasons. He's not Saint Jeremy he's a very naughty boy a career politician who was able to rationalise supporting New Labour for 15 years in Parliament. So it's not impossible he could have been playing a teensy weensy game over this is it?

I've got to be honest, when the first video came out I wonderd if he would have done the same if there hadn't been a film crew there.

 

[Sprocket.]

Now here's a *proper* lie, but of course much less important than someone sitting in a corridor on a busy train

Jeremy Hunt weekend NHS death claims unhelpful, say civil servants

A perfect example of deflection.
The May and Murdoch mafia decide to vilify someone who raises the prospect of re nationalising the rail network whilst covering the ineptitude of a government minister who dismissed the advice of NHS staff as scare tactics over under staffing for his holy grail mission of a seven day health service.

The rail network is dreadful, Mrs S. Commutes from Doncaster to Leeds and everyday in both directions she is either crammed in a corridor or the trains simply do not turn up.
But JC is a liar so she has gone to work today on a Virgin train expecting to maybe get a seat, because Branson runs a good service.

 

[Brainaddict]

19,600 comments on the guardian's seatgate story. Nearly twenty thousand comments on fuck all, because Branson decided to attack a politician who directly threatens his economic interests and we all have to take that seriously.

 

[teqniq]

Well it's run to quite a few pages here.

 

[Mr Moose]

Video proof that Virgin and Branson are lying about Jeremy Corbyn and #traingate

This is helpful but the general point remains that his team need to avoid off the cuff pieces like this that are easily holed. No one is going to think that turning up for a busy train without a reservation is worthy of a piece to camera. You could satire it all day long.

 

[DrRingDing]

He told people something they already knew. Or don't care about.

He also came across as somebody who told lies about his rail travel situation.

I don't know the truth of the situation but can only think negatively of him as an opposition leader because of this.

Pathetic.

 

[redsquirrel]

Fuck's sake, when will all this be over? So utterly bored of the whole thing.

Agreed, why they decided on such a long campaign fuck knows, none of this matters at all, the situation is polarised no-ones changing their mind. The LP could have had a 2 week campaign and the end result would have been the same.

 

[Fez909]

Meta: this thread will be the 5th biggest in UK P&P at some point today. It looks likely to be the 3nd biggest, at least, before this is all over.

And it's only been 2 months.

 

[andysays]

Meta: this thread will be the 5th biggest in UK P&P at some point today. It looks likely to be the 3nd biggest, at least, before this is all over.

And it's only been 2 months.

And there's every chance of it running on well beyond the current contest and being re-visited for a future leadership challenge next year

 

[ska invita]

Agreed, why they decided on such a long campaign fuck knows, none of this matters at all, the situation is polarised no-ones changing their mind. The LP could have had a 2 week campaign and the end result would have been the same.

To allow maximum smear time
To deny Corbyn a holiday and hope he keels over with exhaustion

 

[Sprocket.]

And there's every chance of it running on well beyond the current contest and being re-visited for a future leadership challenge next year

Surely that would be.
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up 2,
This time it's serious!

 

[Fez909]

And there's every chance of it running on well beyond the current contest and being re-visited for a future leadership challenge next year

This thread will eventually die down, only to be necromanced back into action during the first crisis of PM Corbyn's government...probably a comment on the Falklands on day 2 of his premiership

 

[Fez909]

To allow maximum smear time
To deny Corbyn a holiday and hope he keels over with exhaustion

And to put as much distance between the coup and the election. Plenty of people would have been angry at the coup. Now it's rarely mentioned as the leadership race and Corbyn's monsterous behaviour are the focus. The coup doesn't matter anymore. Its old news. It's now bland, safe Owen vs the dangerous cult leader.

 

[andysays]

Surely that would be.
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up 2,
This time it's serious!

I'm sure at least one poster here would have something to say about a new thread being started when there's a perfectly good existing thread to resurrect...

 

[andysays]

This thread will eventually die down, only to be necromanced back into action during the first crisis of PM Corbyn's government...probably a comment on the Falklands on day 2 of his premiership

I'm not convinced it will die down when (as seems v. likely) Corbyn defeats the current challenger.

The speculation about what happens next (party split, another leadership challenge, Corbyn being knobbled by MI5...) seems likely to continue unabated, both here and in the world beyond Urban

 

[sleaterkinney]

Meta: this thread will be the 5th biggest in UK P&P at some point today. It looks likely to be the 3nd biggest, at least, before this is all over.

And it's only been 2 months.

The article on the guardain nearly has 20,000 comments.

 

[Fez909]

The article on the guardain nearly has 20,000 comments.

I just went and had a look to see what was most upvoted. It's all banal shit.

I did like this, though: "Ah but don't you see, since he only joined the train in January he's allowed to sit on the floor, but he can't take part in any of the actual seating."

 

[Supine]

seems likely to continue unabated, both here and in the world beyond Urban

There's a world beyond urban?

 

[Sprocket.]

There's a world beyond urban?

Only attainable if there is room on the train.

 

[killer b]

In case you didn't have enough yesterday, the graun is sending a journalist on the same train today, and liveblogging it.

 

[teuchter]

It is the result of trains removing themselves from the realm of public service and being run on purely capitalist terms. Elasticity of demand is a well-worked capitalist principle, one that EasyJet were early pioneers of. With modern technology it is possible to maxmise profit in this way by offering hugely cheap tickets to fill seats when needed and hugely expensive seats when there is excess demand.

That our railways should be run in this way is shameful.

This is not really correct. The most expensive fares are the walk-up fares and these are regulated by government. The train companies are not allowed to set these as they wish - they are the fares that they agree to provide when they sign up for a franchise. These fares are basically a continuation of the fare structure that was in place before privatisation. It's true they have increased somewhat but that increase is determined by the government and is related to how much they are willing to subsidise the railways. Just as it was before privatisation.

The cheap advance fares are what have been introduced by the "free market". These cheaper-than-the-regulated-fares did not exist before.

I am not defending the current fare structure, because I think it is a mess and not functional for something that should be a public service. However it is not true that the railways operate under some kind of free-for-all. They are very heavily regulated by government and most franchisees have very little room for maneuver. It's a red herring to blame expensive fares on "privatisation". Much more significant is govenment policy. They have the say on what the upper limit of rail fares is. I wish people would concentrate on that rather than making ill informed statements about how rail tickets are priced. If we want cheaper fares then we have to lobby those who make the political decisions that affect the cost of rail travel. This will remain the case if the franchises become nationalised.

 

[Sirena]

In case you didn't have enough yesterday, the graun is sending a journalist on the same train today, and liveblogging it.

I'm delighted to see serious investigative journalism is not yet a thing of the past.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is not really correct.

It is correct. The fact that many of the most expensive tickets are still regulated doesn't change the fact that pricing is done by the principle of elasticity of demand, which is why the sometimes extremely cheap fares exist.