Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Gramsci]

Down in Lambeth - 100% Blairite / Progress Labour Council my Cllrs are tweeting about JC.

This was retweeted by Cllr Jack Hopkins. They hate Corbyn.They supported Liz Kendall for the first leadership contest. She failed miserably.

 

[two sheds]

Now here's a *proper* lie, but of course much less important than someone sitting in a corridor on a busy train

Jeremy Hunt weekend NHS death claims unhelpful, say civil servants

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

because people got moved from second (which was "ram packed") to first (which "wasn't"). This only seems to happen when someone famous is in second.

OK, look at the pictures of coaches H and F here.

Virgin challenges Jeremy Corbyn train footage - BBC News

Is coach H the first-class one? That's the largely empty unreserved one he walked through before eventually getting a seat there. Coach F, where there were also vacant seats (if reserved ones) that could also be sat in?

 

[Supine]

Now here's a *proper* lie, but of course much less important than someone sitting in a corridor on a busy train

Jeremy Hunt weekend NHS death claims unhelpful, say civil servants

Because err yeah, Corbyn. No effective oposition at the mo.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is so going to change Virgin's policy on seating people.

The more they whine about it, the more CCTV footage they wrongly disseminate, the more they are going to have to change.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Because err yeah, Corbyn. No effective oposition at the mo.

It's August. Don't forget that. Nothing serious happens in the politics world in August. Corbyn's the only one not on holiday.

Revel in the fact that Richard Branston himself has taken time out from his time on his island in the Caribbean to tweet about it.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Corbyn's the only one not on holiday.

Got his in in the run-up to the Brexit vote

 

[Supine]

Corbyn's the only one not on holiday.

And still managing to fuck it up

 

[littlebabyjesus]

And still managing to fuck it up

Really? He's got the state of Britain's overcrowded railways to centre-stage while everyone else is on holiday.

Pretty clever.

 

[Supine]

Really? He's got the state of Britain's overcrowded railways to centre-stage while everyone else is on holiday.

Pretty clever.

He told people something they already knew. Or don't care about.

He also came across as somebody who told lies about his rail travel situation.

I don't know the truth of the situation but can only think negatively of him as an opposition leader because of this.

 

[Greasy Boiler]

Is coach H the first-class one?

One of them, yes.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He told people something they already knew. Or don't care about.

He also came across as somebody who told lies about his rail travel situation.

I don't know the truth of the situation but can only think negatively of him as an opposition leader because of this.

Nah. He got Richard Branston himself to tweet in defence of the indefensible, doing massively dodgy things by showing CCTV footage that they realllly shouldn't have. He got some mealy-mouthed awful crap about trains being 'popular' from Virgin's publicity cunts, who've no doubt been working overtime today. And he's probably got Virgin Trains to change their policy - offer Corbs an upgrade? Well you should offer one to everyone always whenever there are no seats.

win, win and win.

 

[timeforanother]

I thinks JCs media plan must be never to look wound up or start ranting. If so he's managed it again.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Anyhoo I'm leaving it here that Virgin Trains will change their policy on empty seats in 1st class as a result of this.

If they do, then Corbyn will have scored a massive win with this, even if he was lying. If he manages it through a lie, it's almost a double-plus. Crap politician is he?

 

[two sheds]

OK, look at the pictures of coaches H and F here.

Virgin challenges Jeremy Corbyn train footage - BBC News

Is coach H the first-class one? That's the largely empty unreserved one he walked through before eventually getting a seat there. Coach F, where there were also vacant seats (if reserved ones) that could also be sat in?

Can't see the H and F, but the seats in the first (empty) carriage look more spaced than the reserved carriage, and trains I've traveled on first and second is often separated by the Foodbar or whatever they call it (which you can see on the video).

Other people have said the train was overcrowded and people were sat/stood in corridors. Why do you want to call him a liar because of this? Were they all lying? Were they lying when the conductor offered him seats in first class because there was no room in second class?

Why was nobody else sitting in them if they weren't reserved? People were sitting in the corridors by choice? Last time that happened to me as I say I had to sit in the guard's van which was space for bikes. I had a reserved seat but couldn't get to it. Perhaps I'm lying and there was loads of space.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I took one on Sunday evening from Salisbury to London - it was very busy but I got an unreserved seat and my ticket was a bargain £16 because I got it last minute.

But I don't dispute that the service is normally abysmal and extremely expensive and I really am sorry to hear about your Dad.

This isn't a good thing. I got a train from London to a station a little further along that line for a quid, yes a fucking quid because I booked three weeks in advance. If I turn up and book on the day it's 60 quid. The fact I don't wanna reveal my stop in order to prevent that absurdly cheap fare becoming too popular and increasing the price should tell you just how ridiculous train fares are. It's a train that gets me from a to b there shouldn't be such wild differences in price for the same train just because I managed to book a super duper crazy whacky hype special deal three weeks in advance.

As for this whole recent debacle I'm just lost for words with it really. Man sits on floor and highlights problem every cunt and his dog who travels to work by train every morning knows exists. Massive greedy prick who causes said problem by being too much a tight fisted fuck to issue more trains releases footage and complains about the way the problem he causes was highlighted. Pretty much entire press sides with massive greedy prick who causes said problem even though press highlights said problem on a fairly regular basis. Ffs.

 

[two sheds]

OK, look at the pictures of coaches H and F here.

Virgin challenges Jeremy Corbyn train footage - BBC News

Is coach H the first-class one? That's the largely empty unreserved one he walked through before eventually getting a seat there. Coach F, where there were also vacant seats (if reserved ones) that could also be sat in?

And how does that compare with Hunt saying that more people die because there's no weekend elective surgery when that's been shown to be untrue?

Not bothered about that clearly, you're trying to blow up some little story to be something important.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This isn't a good thing. I got a train from London to a station a little further along that line for a quid, yes a fucking quid because I booked three weeks in advance. If I turn up and book on the day it's 60 quid. The fact I don't wanna reveal my stop in order to prevent that absurdly cheap fare becoming too popular and increasing the price should tell you just how ridiculous train fares are. It's a train that gets me from a to b there shouldn't be such wild differences in price for the same train just because I managed to book a super duper crazy whacky hype special deal three weeks in advance.
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It is the result of trains removing themselves from the realm of public service and being run on purely capitalist terms. Elasticity of demand is a well-worked capitalist principle, one that EasyJet were early pioneers of. With modern technology it is possible to maxmise profit in this way by offering hugely cheap tickets to fill seats when needed and hugely expensive seats when there is excess demand.

That our railways should be run in this way is shameful.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

It is the result of trains removing themselves from the realm of public service and being run on purely capitalist terms. Elasticity of demand is a well-worked capitalist principle, one that EasyJet were early pioneers of. With modern technology it is possible to maxmise profit in this way by offering hugely cheap tickets to fill seats when needed and hugely expensive seats when there is excess demand.

That our railways should be run in this way is shameful.

Indeed. I can reserve a seat basically for free several weeks in advance. It cost me more to get the bus from the station to my flat then it did to travel across the country. But turn up on the day i'd pay a couple of days wages for a minimum wage earner. It's, as you say, shameful our railways are run like this.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

And how does that compare with Hunt saying that more people die because there's no weekend elective surgery when that's been shown to be untrue?

Not bothered about that clearly, you're trying to blow up some little story to be something important.

And how does it compare with Syria, eh? Or climate change? Or, or? Jeez

 

[Doctor Carrot]

It is the result of trains removing themselves from the realm of public service and being run on purely capitalist terms. Elasticity of demand is a well-worked capitalist principle, one that EasyJet were early pioneers of. With modern technology it is possible to maxmise profit in this way by offering hugely cheap tickets to fill seats when needed and hugely expensive seats when there is excess demand.

That our railways should be run in this way is shameful.

Is elasticity of demand an economic principle? I've often wondered how this works and how profit is able to be made. I take it this is why there's all this early bird bullshit when buying gig tickets these days. Will have to look this up tomorrow. Cheers for providing the terminology for it.

 

[two sheds]

And how does it compare with Syria, eh? Or climate change? Or, or? Jeez

You're blowing up a minor story to call him a liar, making other people on that train liars. Jeez.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Is elasticity of demand an economic principle? I've often wondered how this works and how profit is able to be made. I take it this is why there's all this early bird bullshit when buying gig tickets these days. Will have to look this up tomorrow. Cheers for providing the terminology for it.

Yes. And it works (in terms of maximising profit). 'Price elasticity of demand' is the thing to look up. But it's really no more complicated than the idea that you can charge more for an ice cream on a hot day than a cold day.

That said, it does form the basis of pricing in all kinds of services, including rail and air travel, and now coaches. It's spread rapidly now there are computer algorithms to work out prices.

"So you need to travel today?"

"Yes, we're burying our mum."

"If only you'd known she was going to die three weeks ago. Didn't you have an inkling? Sorry, that will be £200."

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

You're blowing up a minor story to call him a liar, making other people on that train liars. Jeez.

It's possible that Jeremy and his top team of experts are fallible, you know

 

[two sheds]

It's possible that Jeremy and his top team of experts are fallible, you know

That's true, I wouldn't dispute it.

It's also possible that Branson and his top team of PR agents are fallible, you know.

And that the train was over full (as Virgin admit can happen once a day and which thousands of passengers regularly experience and which Virgin could easily alleviate by letting second class passengers sit in first but which they don't).

But instead Corbyn and the passengers on the train were liars, you know. Jeez.

 

[gosub]

As for this whole recent debacle I'm just lost for words with it really. Man sits on floor and highlights problem every cunt and his dog who travels to work by train every morning knows exists. Massive greedy prick who causes said problem by being too much a tight fisted fuck to issue more trains releases footage and complains about the way the problem he causes was highlighted. Pretty much entire press sides with massive greedy prick who causes said problem even though press highlights said problem on a fairly regular basis. Ffs.

Thems that use trains will see it that way, thems that don't - this isn't a magic bullet

 

[Wilf]

It's such a trivial story this that I haven't followed it much. However after 'team corbyn' were forced to admit he walked past empty seats because he wanted 2 seats together it was obvious there was a bit of a game in play. Wants to portray himself as not like the other politicians... film crew... the case for rail nationalisation - come on! In this story he might be up against some almighty cunts, virgin, branson, the press, but let's be honest, he's over egged it for political reasons. He's not Saint Jeremy he's a very naughty boy a career politician who was able to rationalise supporting New Labour for 15 years in Parliament. So it's not impossible he could have been playing a teensy weensy game over this is it?

 

[Vintage Paw]

OH MY GOD I DONT CARE ABOUT FUCKING TRAINS

While Rome fucking burns.

 

[DownwardDog]

Shami C. is going have to clear her Google calendar so she can do an inquiry into #traingate.

 

[Greasy Boiler]

I reckon it was poorly thought out BLM protest.