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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

inva said:
one of the things that irritates me about Corbyn is that it's easy to romanticise about the Labour Party's historical links with the labour movement or whatever and go on about 'the people' and socialism when you're not the one getting taunted and threatened by the likes of Rachel Reeves (I think it was) saying Labour was going to be tougher than the Tories on benefits, for example.

This 'principled' man could stomach sitting through that, through all Blair's smirking bollocks, on the same benches, calling on us all to vote for that party. I wouldn't trust him an inch. He's not on my side or he couldn't have stood by them.
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So, sadly could much of civil society, much of the left, etc.
 
treelover said:
So, sadly could much of civil society, much of the left, etc.
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Charities and things you mean? I found out I was quite naive about them before I became aware of all the workfare and so on. Sometimes particular issues come along and really show you whose side people are on I suppose.
 
Virgin Trains faces data protection inquiry over Corbyn CCTV footage
The ICO said: “We are aware of the publication of CCTV images of Jeremy Corbyn and are making inquiries. All organisations have an obligation to comply with the Data Protection Act and must have legitimate grounds for processing the personal data they hold.

“Where there’s a suggestion that this hasn’t happened, the ICO has the power to investigate and can take enforcement action if necessary.”

According to the ICO’s CCTV code of practice, the disclosure of footage must be “consistent with the purpose(s) for which the system was established”.

In words that seem particularly apposite in Corbyn’s case, it goes on: “For example, it can be appropriate to disclose surveillance information to a law enforcement agency when the purpose of the system is to prevent and detect crime, but it would not be appropriate to place them on the internet in most situations. It may also not be appropriate to disclose information about identifiable individuals to the media.”
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Wilf said:
Yes, he voted against it, but in not leaving he was still part of it. Skinner too.
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And if Skinner was such a rebel he would have stood by the Clay Cross councillors, but no, he was loyal to the Wilson/Callaghan government.

Always have to remember that despite the causes, the rhetoric and the posing the Labour left are still unrepentantly Labour.

One key difference between now and 80's Bennism is that while Benn himself was moving left a lot of the people he drew into Labour were themselves moving right. They were the '68 generation, the "Fragments," the IMG, Socialist Organiser, etc. Whereas the mass of Corbynistas seem to be moving leftwards from a position of vague dissatisfaction with Tweedle Dum/Dee neoliberalism to active support for left Social Democratic ideas. Who knows where some of them will end up?

For that reason it's worth emphasising support for Corbyn over hostility to Labourism.

For the moment.
 
19force8 said:
And if Skinner was such a rebel he would have stood by the Clay Cross councillors, but no, he was loyal to the Wilson/Callaghan government.
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yeh. but i remember going to see dennis skinner as part of a london fight the poll tax delegation back in '91 iirc, when he made it clear that there was nothing he or the labour party could do about the poll tax and advised us to carry on our campaign. which is a lot better than a lot of other labour councillors or mps were doing, and a lot more honest than they were being!
 
What 'enforcement' can the ICO bring to bear that could have any effect whatsoever on Virgin? This was a political attack, and possible ICO action will have been allowed for. They don't give a shit.
 
answering my own question...

Data Protection Act (DPA) Penalties

  • Monetary penalty notices: Fines of up to £500,000 for serious breaches of the DPA.
  • Prosecutions: Including possible prison sentences for deliberately breaching the DPA.
  • Undertakings: Organisations have to commit to a particular course of action to improve their compliance and avoid further action from the ICO.
  • Enforcement notices: Organisations in breach of legislation are required to take specific steps in order to comply with the law.
  • Audit: The ICO has the authority to audit government departments without consent.
The only one they'd care about is prison, and that just isn't going to happen.
 
lengthly posts sying 'he might be alright, but he's still labour when alls said and done'

while traingate rattles on and we have the bizarre sight of journos doing a reconstruction of his journey. I hope theirs a little crime scene tape around the floor and a chalk outline of his backside on the floor. Its too hot, things are getting too weird.
 
Pickman's model said:
yeh. but i remember going to see dennis skinner as part of a london fight the poll tax delegation back in '91 iirc, when he made it clear that there was nothing he or the labour party could do about the poll tax and advised us to carry on our campaign. which is a lot better than a lot of other labour councillors or mps were doing, and a lot more honest than they were being!
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You're right.

It's easy to misstep online - I was trying to make the point that we shouldn't focus on the negatives when we have a common enemy, but I shouldn't have used that particular sectarian jibe to illustrate it.
 
Have to admit I've not followed every page of this thread...but having got my excuses in...

It looks pretty clear that Corbyn will win the leadership election by a landslide, and that most Urbs are either with Corbyn or think he's "not left wing enough/alright but he's still Labour".

But that leaves him pretty much where he was - with masses of support among Labour's membership and wider society but with no/almost no reliable support in Parliament, unable to win an election and struggling to put together a Cabinet.

What do people want to see happen afterwards? For me, while I was and still am really boosted to see Corbyn win the leadership and receive the support he has, he has been disappointing, and I wasn't expecting much. Haven't joined Labour (obviously) and still won't. The only thing that might convince me to do so would be if Corbyn dropped the nice guy shite, took the fight to the Labour right and pushed hard for mandatory re-selection of MP's and genuine democratisation of the party. Can anyone see this happening? What do others want to see him do?
 
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