Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[DotCommunist]

its got to be more reliable than buying people. Machines don't have fits of conscience or a sudden desire for a second payday

 

[DrRingDing]

The question isn't whether it's possible (the old canard is that any system built by humans can be exploited by humans) but whether it's easy and/or likely.

Easy or to use the lingo 'work factor' is not a good way of relying on securing a system.

Likely boils down to if an adversary has the motivation and the resources.

 

[Pickman's model]

its got to be more reliable than buying people. Machines don't have fits of conscience or a sudden desire for a second payday

yeh they stay bought

 

[belboid]

So you admit it's totally possible?

Of course it's 'possible' - but that was never the question. The question was is it, in reality, easier.

You have provided no evidence to that end. None.

 

[DrRingDing]

If i was top dog in the security services employed to 'defend the realm' i.e. Maintain the status quo I would be concerned about social media. The dissemination of information peer-2-peer. A few years ago this mass media barrage against Corbyn would have been sufficient in curtailing his vote. I'd be looking at my options and one of them would be manipulating the election in electronic ways.

This post is dedicated to kingfisher x

 

[DrRingDing]

Of course it's 'possible' - but that was never the question. The question was is it, in reality, easier.

Of course it is you great 'nana.

Watch that video that was posted ffs.

 

[belboid]

Of course it is you great 'nana.

Watch that video that was posted ffs.

You really don't understand the concept of evidence, do you?

 

[DrRingDing]

You really don't understand the concept of evidence, do you?

Well youre definitely not an engineer, that is for sure.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Is belboid wanting to see a degree certificate or something? Is that what is happening here?

 

[DrRingDing]

You really don't understand the concept of evidence, do you?

There we go......Hursti Hack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The vote isn't being conducted by Labour Party systems, it's through ERS.

ERS

 

[belboid]

Is belboid wanting to see a degree certificate or something? Is that what is happening here?

No, I just want the idiot Ringring to say something other than 'look at the video'. And, maybe, to provide some evidence to support his assertion.

 

[teuchter]

A fascinating watch, this:

^ just watch this video

 

[Rob Ray]

Easy or to use the lingo 'work factor' is not a good way of relying on securing a system.

Likely boils down to if an adversary has the motivation and the resources.

No system is secure, you can only ever talk in terms of easy or hard. And yes of course it depends on the adversary, duh. You're yet to explain why it would be easier than ballot-stuffing however, and have only offered an "if I was head of Mi5" view on who might have the wherewithal to do it. You're not head of Mi5 though, so you can't possibly say what their priorities are in this matter.

 

[belboid]

There we go......Hursti Hack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks.

Nothing from an actual election then. And not particularly easier than stuffing ballot boxes.

 

[DotCommunist]

are we really arguing whats harder to manipulate, data or a large group of electoral officials?

 

[belboid]

are we really arguing whats harder to manipulate, data or a large group of electoral officials?

no

 

[DrRingDing]

No system is secure, you can only ever talk in terms of easy or hard. And yes of course it depends on the adversary, duh. You're yet to explain why it would be easier than ballot-stuffing however, and have only offered an "if I was head of Mi5" view on who might have the wherewithal to do it. You're not head of Mi5 though, so you can't possibly say what their priorities are in this matter.

With respect you do not know what youre chatting about. A system can be 'secured' if you have an appropriate security policy and threat model.

 

[DrRingDing]

The vote isn't being conducted by Labour Party systems, it's through ERS.

ERS

Are they immune from coercion, infiltration and do they write secure code? What is there threat model?

 

[belboid]

Still waiting for you to provide any evidence for the fact that such a fraud has actually happened, DrRingDing

 

[belboid]

Are they immune from coercion, infiltration and do they write secure code? What is there threat model?

Lol, good job coercion and infiltration couldn't possibly affect a paper based vote, isn't it?

 

[DrRingDing]

Lol, good job coercion and infiltration couldn't possibly affect a paper based vote, isn't it?

You don't have a single point of failure in traditional paper based voting systems. There is oversight and monitoring by various parties.

With electronic voting it's little more than a black box and a single point of failure.

 

[inva]

is anyone else remembering the train discussion a bit more fondly now?

 

[kabbes]

Still waiting for you to provide any evidence for the fact that such a fraud has actually happened, DrRingDing

If the fraud was effective enough, who would ever know?

 

[Pickman's model]

is anyone else remembering the train discussion a bit more fondly now?

with nostalgia.

 

[bi0boy]

It's the perfect silly season story. Radio 4's PM program is currently featuring a journalist reporting from a Kings Cross to Edinburgh service, counting the number of empty seats as he moves through the train.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's the perfect silly season story. Radio 4's PM program is currently featuring journalist reporting from a Kings Cross to Edinburgh service, counting the number of empty seats as he moves through the train.

satire is truly dead

 

[Pickman's model]

It's the perfect silly season story. Radio 4's PM program is currently featuring journalist reporting from a Kings Cross to Edinburgh service, counting the number of empty seats as he moves through the train.

and then he'll do the same as he returns to london from edinburgh

 

[19force8]

Still waiting for you to provide any evidence for the fact that such a fraud has actually happened, DrRingDing

I'm a little confused here.

DrRingDing is saying there's a fairly convincing argument that Electronic Voting is vulnerable to attack.

Are you saying that because he can't produce evidence of an attack succeeding* we shouldn't worry?

* by definition a successful attack wouldn't leave any evidence

 

[belboid]

If the fraud was effective enough, who would ever know?

same as the 1992 election fraud then?