Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[emanymton]

Unlike St George?

A) Nobody said anything like that.
B) He didn't choose to leave, he was expelled.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Come dahn 'ere to Peckanham...m8...



Big man.

 

[belboid]

I'm a little confused here.

DrRingDing is saying there's a fairly convincing argument that Electronic Voting is vulnerable to attack.

Are you saying that because he can't produce evidence of an attack succeeding* we shouldn't worry?

No (and I will leave it her, as I doubt there is much to add). I'm saying that just because it is possible to do something, it doesn't make it especially likely. We have large amounts of evidence that there has been fraud in paper based elections, so it is silly to pretend that they are particularly more secure. And DrRD has,imo, contradicted himself (eg 10142 & 10143)

 

[Brixton Hatter]

By the way, that video is about electronic voting, not online voting (which is being used in the lab election).

 

[19force8]

A) Nobody said anything like that.
B) He didn't choose to leave, he was expelled.

A) ?
B) True, but wasn't that because his opposition to the Iraq war was less measured than other MPs? Does it matter if he was pushed or he jumped? He did what Wilf was arguing for by putting his principles first. The fact he was otherwise a creep only goes to show up those others who would rather keep their lucrative safe seats than rock the boat.

 

[Rob Ray]

No (and I will leave it her, as I doubt there is much to add). I'm saying that just because it is possible to do something, it doesn't make it especially likely. We have large amounts of evidence that there has been fraud in paper based elections, so it is silly to pretend that they are particularly more secure. And DrRD has,imo, contradicted himself (eg 10142 & 10143)

I was considering noting that, and then I realised I just didn't care enough about this bit of the conversation.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

By the way, that video is about electronic voting, not online voting (which is being used in the lab election).

Because the interwebs aren't electronic.

 

[two sheds]

Literally two sheds?

Yes I'm using Blackfriar's now, much better soaks into the wood rather than sitting on top.

 

[DrRingDing]

No (and I will leave it her, as I doubt there is much to add). I'm saying that just because it is possible to do something, it doesn't make it especially likely. We have large amounts of evidence that there has been fraud in paper based elections, so it is silly to pretend that they are particularly more secure. And DrRD has,imo, contradicted himself (eg 10142 & 10143)

Single. Point. Of. Failure.

By the way, that video is about electronic voting, not online voting (which is being used in the lab election).

Online only increases the attack surface.

 

[brogdale]

Should let it go, I suppose, but good opportunity to post pic of Caalambo

 

[kabbes]

By the way, that video is about electronic voting, not online voting (which is being used in the lab election).

He does actually cover online voting too, pointing out that it is even worse

 

[kabbes]

 

[belboid]

Single. Point. Of. Failure.

L.O.L.

(Like a printers?)

You think you've proved, your point, I don't. Unless you actually have anything to actually add, may as well leave it there.

 

[DrRingDing]

L.O.L.

(Like a printers?)

You think you've proved, your point, I don't. Unless you actually have anything to actually add, may as well leave it there.

You can take a horse to water......

 

[Fez909]

 

[Wilf]

It's all Oldfield's fault.

Another Tory iirc.

 

[Tankus]

satire is truly dead

It died at the back of a Hastings carpark ...embedded in stone

 

[brogdale]

Another Tory iirc.

There must be a tory musicians thread? If not, why not?

 

[Wilf]

is anyone else remembering the train discussion a bit more fondly now?

I always lag about 2 days behind, I was just about at the point where I could say something about St Corbyn of Islington sat on the dusty floor in his slacks. Now we're onto stuff about hanging chads or summat. Get back to me in a couple of days when I've had a chance to get that Wikipedia book out of the library.

 

[discokermit]

Virgin Trains controversy 'has helped Jeremy Corbyn's leadership bid'

''Another complained that the leader was impossible to reach for some time on Tuesday because he was making jam.''

lol.

 

[DaveCinzano]

There must be a tory musicians thread? If not, why not?

Ask And Ye Shall Receive

The Super Soaraway TORY MUSICIANS Thread

 

[DaveCinzano]

Virgin Trains controversy 'has helped Jeremy Corbyn's leadership bid'

''Another complained that the leader was impossible to reach for some time on Tuesday because he was making jam.''

lol.

 

[nino_savatte]

It's the perfect silly season story. Radio 4's PM program is currently featuring a journalist reporting from a Kings Cross to Edinburgh service, counting the number of empty seats as he moves through the train.

And yet, real news stories are being passed over for this.

 

[nino_savatte]

And you wonder why we don't trust polling companies? Have a look at this.

 

[Wilf]

I think I've said it before (possibly on this thread) but I think he is getting so much support because after so many years of defeats his election win felt on some (pretty low) level like some kind of victory for 'our' side.

I think after he won it was people who are more or less on the same side as me that went into their workplaces or union branches holding their heads a little higher.

I am (and was) sceptical about how positive it will be long term. But all this has to mean something doesn't it? If nothing else hundreds of thousands of people have now identified themselves as being on the left, when they may not have done so previously?

At one level I've played the role of chip-pisser on this thread, hopefully not out of some kind of ultra-leftism and I've tried to be analytical. But even from my pov as someone who isn't on board with corbynism that pretty much sums up how I feel (and some of this is about how you feel, not just what you think). Yes, definitely, in an era of defeats it feels positive not just to see the centre/right of the party losing out - just nice to see, literally, hundreds of thousands moving towards some kind of activism against neo-liberalism. The numbers signing up for Corbyn last year were staggering and genuinely unexpected.

The more critical bit of me is still wondering what the 'something' actually is. I think there are lots of potential reasons people have joined up - the notion of a simpler/less cynical politics; this being the first chance to oppose neo-liberalism in the relatively safe environment of major party politics; people worried about precarious jobs, pensions, the future - all that. The more cynical part of me wonders where all these people have been for the last 10 years and why they couldn't do actual class struggle. Yes, okay a significant number of people who were involved in anti-cuts stuff have now signed up for Corbyn, but the vast majority weren't. I also struggle to see a coherent approach in terms of re-establishing social democracy within the context of a neo-liberal world. Ditto in terms of the relationship between the party and the working class. In fact if that relationship isn't established you've simply got a few hundred thousand focusing their activity on internal battles and winning elections. I'm repeating myself from earlier posts and it's also best to admit that the treachery of the plp has created a situation where things were bound to be internally focused. Suppose in the end though, a year on, there doesn't seem to be much progress with regard to reshaping what the party is. And I think that's my ultimate problem - I'm not sure that's what the project is about.

 

[kabbes]

In many cases, the people signing up are in their 20s. If you're wondering where they were 10 years ago, the answer is "Geography class".

 

[Wilf]

In many cases, the people signing up are in their 20s. If you're wondering where they were 10 years ago, the answer is "Geography class".

Yes, I realise and half anticipated a comment like that. But there was an equivalent group of 20 somethings 10 years ago who weren't involved in politics. Again though, I think the numbers are significant as is the demographic. In terms of a historical parallel I'd have to think a bit, but it is of historic significance - and the overall increase in Labour membership is equally significant. It's more a case of what the project is, how it sees itself and what it actually does that I have more of a problem with.

 

[DrRingDing]

In many cases, the people signing up are in their 20s. If you're wondering where they were 10 years ago, the answer is "Geography class".

Maybe the people you know are in their 20s. Most of the people I know who have gone full momentum are older.

 

[Wilf]

Maybe the people you know are in their 20s. Most of the people I know who have gone full momentum are older.

My experience in the northeast is a good spread of age ranges at the big leadership meetings, but Momentum being a bit more like you say (middles aged and older, already involved in politics/union activism - though still a few younger people).

 

[Idris2002]

This business about Bernie S. denying he sent Jez a message of support - could that one turn out to be more serious than the ball of smoke over traingate?