bi0boy
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It was always wishfull thinking that the current PLP could be dragged leftwards. If people want a left party they need to elect left MPs.
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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It was always wishfull thinking that the current PLP could be dragged leftwards. If people want a left party they need to elect left MPs.
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
I should have clarrfied: my post was based on the website.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Meanwhile, as we all drown under these column inches on Labour's problems, we've heard nothing from our serving prime minister since Friday morning's statement ("well, I'm off out, chaps - sorry about the mess over there, hope your domestic doesn't mind a bit putting a bit of welly into it!!") and he and the rest of the government seem content to leave us in a virtual vacuum for several days as to how one of the most momentous political decisions in living memory is actually going to play out; Boris and other senior figures are basically sitting outside No. 10 sharpening knives and playing Van Halen really loud; and what does the media have to say about it?
Well, apparently a celebrity chef is a bit peeved.
So, nothing to see there then
Well, apparently a celebrity chef is a bit peeved.
So, nothing to see there then
why?
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Was just talking about this in the office. It really is quite remarkable that they've seemingly all gone into hiding and have no aspirations to showing some actual leadership. And, of course, rather than being out there shouting "where are the Tories?? Where have our leaders gone?" Labour is busy committing self-mutilation.Meanwhile, as we all drown under these column inches on Labour's problems, we've heard nothing from our serving prime minister since Friday morning's statement ("well, I'm off out, chaps - sorry about the mess over there, hope your domestic doesn't mind a bit putting a bit of welly into it!!") and he and the rest of the government seem content to leave us in a virtual vacuum for several days as to how one of the most momentous political decisions in living memory is actually going to play out; Boris and other senior figures are basically sitting outside No. 10 sharpening knives and playing Van Halen really loud; and what does the media have to say about it?
Well, apparently a celebrity chef is a bit peeved.
So, nothing to see there then
Slow. Hand. Clap.
sleaterkinney
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happie chappie
Well-Known Member
FWIW a friend has resigned from the Shadow Cabinet. Whatever you think of their actions that person is not a Blairite or a careerist.
That person had genuine doubts about JC’s abilities as a leader. That person has worked with him at close quarters and is probably in a better position than most to make that judgement.
You can be a fundamentally good and principled person and have a strong mandate from the membership (as is the case with JC) but that doesn’t necessarily make you a good leader.
That person had genuine doubts about JC’s abilities as a leader. That person has worked with him at close quarters and is probably in a better position than most to make that judgement.
You can be a fundamentally good and principled person and have a strong mandate from the membership (as is the case with JC) but that doesn’t necessarily make you a good leader.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Name them, so we can see their record. Did they rebel against the whip for the Welfare Reform Bill?
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Many, such as Wilf, have said similar, but is now really the time for this? As I just said, it seems this time would be better spent demonstrating the complete lack of leadership the entire Tory party is displaying in this time of massive upheaval for the country.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
No. He's digging in. Not only that, thousands of people have just joined the party to defend him.
Wishful thinking on your part - again.
Oh please, I supported Team Corbyn.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Really? Your words on this forum appear to contradict that. Oh please, indeed.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
I fundamentally disagree with this - it's entirely dismissive of the membership who elected him and it's absolutely not for your friend to judge.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
If they aren't on this list they're vermin.
Diane Abbott
Debbie Abrahams
David Anderson
Richard Burgon
Dawn Butler
Ann Clwyd
Jeremy Corbyn
Geraint Davies
Peter Dowd
Paul Flynn
Mary Glindon
Roger Godsiff
Helen Goodman
Margaret Greenwood
Louise Haigh
Carolyn Harris
Sue Hayman
Imran Hussain
Gerald Jones
Helen Jones
Sir Gerald Kaufman
Sadiq Khan
David Lammy
Ian Lavery
Clive Lewis
Rebecca Long Bailey
Andy McDonald
John McDonnell
Liz McInnes
Rob Marris
Rachael Maskell
Michael Meacher
Ian Mearns
Madeleine Moon
Grahame Morris
Kate Osamor
Teresa Pearce
Marie Rimmer
Paula Sherriff
Tulip Siddiq
Dennis Skinner
Cat Smith
Jo Stevens
Graham Stringer
David Winnick
Iain Wright
Daniel Zeichner
Kelvin Hopkins (Teller)
happie chappie
Well-Known Member
As it happens I think the timing is beyond awful and the Party should be chucking the kitchen sink and any other household implements to hand at the Tories.
But these are the most extraordinary and frightening times I have experienced in my lifetime and I'm not exactly a spring chicken.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
People on social media are saying they have had more BBC App alerts for the Corbyn crisis than for anything else at all, mmm
This is likely a reaction to heavy interest, they tend to magnify whatever's looking big on the stats board to try and hoover up more percentage. Thing is it's big news for political wonks (who will obsessively watch anything to do with it), this thread alone is second only behind the referendum thread itself - and it's a much more dramatic story in terms of things actually happening.
because I don't support open borders, what a crazy world you live in
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
this is it. The PLP has decided it owns the party, always did think that. The tail wagging the dog effect in full swing. And to do this now when you have a great opportunity to stab the true enemy frenziedly while he is down while shouting 'sic semper tyrannis!' ? they don't deserve ayones vote
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
iirc you hopped from Greens to Labour after Corbyn started looking like a shoe-in, so it'd be more to do with that, I'd imagine.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Eek! For disagreeing with you? Such an activist, you
No, for discrediting yourself with some truly parlous political analysis.
I don't have an ideological position, I work with who helps the poorest, etc.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Updating the list with minors/PPSs
Roberta Blackman-Woods abstained
Luciana Berger abstained
Neil Coyle abstained
Alex Cunningham abstained
Wayne David abstained
Angela Eagle abstained
Maria Eagle abstained
Yvonne Fovargue abstained
Kate Green abstained
Nia Griffiths abstained
John Healy abstained
Diana Johnson abstained
Lisa Nandy abstained
Toby Perkins abstained
Jess Philips abstained
Steve Reed abstained
Ruth Smeeth abstained
Owen Smith abstained
Karen Smyth abstained
Nick Thomas-Symonds abstained
Unless I've made a mistake somewhere all those who have resigned abstained on the welfare bill. So happie chappie how does your mate justify standing aside and helping the Tories attack the most vulnerable in our society?
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Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Yeah except when the going gets tough you immediately leap for the easiest-looking alternative. Greens to Corbyn, Corbyn to, well, fuck knows but you definitely don't want to be attached to an apparent loser, right? I mean fuck I've been clear throughout I didn't think he was going to win against the PLP in the long run and I'm being more fair on the old boy's position and prospects than you are right now.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Corbyn is too far to the left and as the remain campaign shown, not strong enough to win a GE. He needs to go.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Get bent.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I do not back Corbyn 100%, he could be so much better but he's all they've got.
For those of the Labour party claiming he did nothing, what did they do? How did their areas vote? I'm tired of this Corbyn did nothing shit. From what I saw he went out, he campaigned, he did the right thing in not appearing with Cameron. The media spent the entire fucking campaign putting Blue and Purple on the front pages, Corbyn may treat the papers and news with contempt but they have done so as well from the get go, he'd have got no warm welcome from the newspapers, no calm headlines from the commentators.
Corbyn acted like an adult throughout the campaign.
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