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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

...Or maybe I'm not cynical enough. We'll see shortly.

i would assume that Burnhams hope is that the opaque rules are used ensure Corbyn can't stand, and that he can reluctantly stand as both the 'respector of the membership' and 'not Jeremy Corbyn' candidate.

i don't think any of them actually fancy standing against Corbyn in a contest where the membership decide, the idea is to ensure that the contest is held in a way that means he's not on the ballot paper - which, to be strictly fair, certainly would fall within one of the available interpretations of the rules - you don't get 35 MP's nominating you, you don't go on the ballot paper.
 
With Owen and Lisa going(gutted) I really think Corbyn may now be on his way out, they are not Blairites, especially Owen who has attacked welfare cuts robusttly, etc.
 
BBC deputy political editor John Pienaar says there's "absolutely no indication" that Jeremy Corbyn will stand down as Labour leader, in light of the mass walkouts from his top team.

He says the signs he's picking up from the leader's associates is that they are "digging in for a brutal war".

"But they will fight that battle to the death, they believe... they can win and that the ultimate price is going to paid not by them but by their colleagues who have risen against them in this mass insurrection."
 
I think it's as simple as this. If Corbyn is on the ballot he will win, if he isn't on the ballot then it will be the end of the Labour Party.

It may be the end of the Labour Party either way, but given that the Labour Party is pointless unless the pre-Corbyn faction, whatever they want to call themselves, fuck off out of it, there's really nothing to be lost now by Corbyn and his remaining allies standing firm and inviting them to bring it on.
 
Seeing as retro is the new contemporary, how long until someone in the LP has the idea of a new improved party. ..How long until a newly refurbished SDP pops up ?
 
Seeing as retro is the new contemporary, how long until someone in the LP has the idea of a new improved party. ..How long until a newly refurbished SDP pops up ?
There's far-fetched talk of some kind of 'party within a party' that I saw yesterday, but I can't see an actual split happening.
 
Well the ball is firmly in the members court, effectively it's lock-out by the PLP, do enough members have the anger, determination to take them on. My guess is that most will end up backing some supposed Corbyn-lite alternative put up by the soft left (if not Burnham then someone like him)
 
Nandy and Smith statement:

We believe tom Watson should take over as caretaker
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Look Labour, look at the Tories. This is what you should be trying to top.

You fucks. Corbyn may not be the best leader and have his major faults but the country is staring at the biggest fuck up and shake up in decades and your busy backstabbing each other. Get a grip.

I can smell a national govt developing, when Corbyn goes.
 
Or, conceivably, positioned himself to benefit from it (if Corbyn ultimately throws in the towel, which is I think a distinct possibility)? Genuinely hard to predict how this will play out.

He's not going to throw in the towel. He should though. Had he a shred of self knowledge he would have grasped that he is not the messiah.

His job was to find the person with the skills and values to take the project of putting a socialist heart back into a practical Labour Party.

Instead, for his vanity, he lost an important referendum most Labour members and supporters wanted to win with an alienated w class voting w nationalists. Tragic.
 
The value of the pound has fallen to a 31 year low and still the BBC leads on 'Reaction to Corbyn Crisis... and Brexit'.

I'm watching the news now and Corbyn was the third item after the fall of the pound, markets in general and Brexit.

Edit: Fair cop that exact headline is on the website.
 
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Had he a shred of self knowledge he would have grasped that he is not the messiah.

Indeed, thank goodness there's sensible people like you around who can look at the situation without hyperbole eh?

His job was to find the person with the skills and values to take the project of putting a socialist heart back into a practical Labour Party.

Was it? Can you point to the memo where this was spelled out? Did you think there was an actual messiah MP waiting in the wings for their moment? Who do you think this legendary figure is that Corbyn has cruelly left to rot?

Instead, for his vanity, he lost an important referendum most Labour members and supporters wanted to win with an alienated w class voting w nationalists. Tragic.

What, on his own? 63% of Labour supporters voted Remain, 75% in his own constituency - do you think he was supposed to be reaching out to Tories?
 
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Burnham has surely ruled himself out with his statement of support for Corbyn and condemnation of the coup.

If there's a way they can get David Miliband in they will.
I dunno, that Burnham thing could be a good bit of manoeuvring. If there is a recognition in the LP that Corbyn is still a very popular choice, then offering an alternative that was Corbynesque without actually being Corbyn could be an astute move. Particularly if hints were dropped that Corbyn would have a significant role in such a front bench.
 
The value of the pound has fallen to a 31 year low and still the BBC leads on 'Reaction to Corbyn Crisis... and Brexit'.
Peter Hitchens wrote a fairly decent article about this yesterday. I won't link to it, but he says:

"Similarly, after the greatest political convulsion of my adult life, the people in the media who decide what is important about politics have once again returned to the subject which has, I do not understate, obsessed them: the battle between Jeremy Corbyn and the Shadow Cabinet. Dreary steeples indeed.

When I was invited on to the BBC TV news channel on Friday afternoon, it quickly became clear that this, the Corbyn matter, was what they really wanted to talk about. I boggled. Here we were, facing a huge constitutional, diplomatic and political crisis. The markets, though not in the free-fall alleged by the panic-mongers of the Bad Losers Alliance (see above), were certainly pretty volatile.

The Prime Minister had resigned that morning. His Party was exposed as utterly divided, cloven from the nave to the chaps by discord. It was and is seriously proposing to leave the country to drift till October before picking a new leader ( see below for an analysis of why this is so disgraceful) .

A majority of the electorate, in a high turnout had specifically endorse a policy rejected and indeed sneered at for decades by both major political parties, plus the BBC and most of the media, the civil service and the whole establishment. They had done so after a fair fight, in which the other side had flung millions of pounds and a great deal of frightening propaganda at them.

And in the midst of all this the BBC wanted to talk about Jeremy Corbyn, and the presenter was clearly perturbed and discombobulated when I sought to talk about the future of the country instead. She was also puzzled. Surely Mr Corbyn was the main topic? Not for me."
 
It may be the end of the Labour Party either way, but given that the Labour Party is pointless unless the pre-Corbyn faction, whatever they want to call themselves, fuck off out of it, there's really nothing to be lost now by Corbyn and his remaining allies standing firm and inviting them to bring it on.
I like the mental image that conjures up.
 
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