Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[billy_bob]

Ah, but it's the one after #30,000 has been reached that is truly momentuous.

 

[billy_bob]

 

[Rob Ray]

If the average posting time is two minutes (possibly generous) then we've now collectively spent 1,000 hours, or nearly 42 days straight, posting about Jeremy Corbyn's time being up, which is a little more than 2.5% of the entire duration that Jeremy Corbyn was leader of the opposition (1,666 days). And the thread itself has lasted 5 years, 7 months, 18 days — 679 days longer than Corbyn.

Hash Tag did not fuck off.

 

[William of Walworth]

Jeremy Corbyn was leader of the opposition (1,666 days).

Much more than The Number of The Beast!!

 

[William of Walworth]

Official strength : 6.66% !!

(But I doubt that the Corbster drank much of it!! )

 

[hash tag]

666

 

[steveseagull]

The Corbster is addressing the People's Assembly demo at midday at Trafalgar Square which will likely get the PLP seething.

 

[hash tag]

Meanwhile

Oh fuck off

countless posts later......

 

[kenny g]

Official strength : 6.66% !!

(But I doubt that the Corbster drank much of it!! )

Brings back bad memories (well half memories) does that beer tag.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[tim]

Deselection time in North Islington, according to the Mail and Telegraph. I assume he'd probably still win as an independent.

Labour leadership want to deselect former leader Jeremy Corbyn

 

[PR1Berske]

Deselection time in North Islington, according to the Mail and Telegraph. I assume he'd probably still win as an independent.

Labour leadership want to deselect former leader Jeremy Corbyn

We've skirted around this topic before. It really turns on how many current members go with him to provide support, office space, and money. Independent candidates are usually crushed by our constituency system and it'd be difficult even with the backing of a huge Corbynite crowd flooding to London to help.

The Labour Party machine would crank into action against him, foot soldiers, money and all.

 

[kebabking]

eselection time in North Islington, according to the Mail and Telegraph. I assume he'd probably still win as an independent.

Labour leadership want to deselect former leader Jeremy Corbyn

Anyone know what the situation is if things just remain as they are with Corbyn being whipless - if Starmer just leaves it as it is, and then an election is called is Corbyn just automatically barred from being selected as the LP candidate?

I suppose that Starmer is worried that the longer he leaves it in limbo the greater the chance that Corbyn will find some way to get the whip restored - so there's a balance between the risk of inaction, and the aggro of stirring up a hornet's nest by actively deselecting him...

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

We've skirted around this topic before. It really turns on how many current members go with him to provide support, office space, and money. Independent candidates are usually crushed by our constituency system and it'd be difficult even with the backing of a huge Corbynite crowd flooding to London to help.

The Labour Party machine would crank into action against him, foot soldiers, money and all.

Independent candidates are normally crushed by the fact no-one knows who they are or what they stand for. And the ones that doesn't apply to are normally crushed by the fact that nobody cares. I think Corbyn is a rare example where that wouldn't be the case - it's still a challenge to win against the established party but he'd certainly have a much better chance than most.

 

[belboid]

Anyone know what the situation is if things just remain as they are with Corbyn being whipless - if Starmer just leaves it as it is, and then an election is called is Corbyn just automatically barred from being selected as the LP candidate?

I suppose that Starmer is worried that the longer he leaves it in limbo the greater the chance that Corbyn will find some way to get the whip restored - so there's a balance between the risk of inaction, and the aggro of stirring up a hornet's nest by actively deselecting him...

Yup to both paragraphs. Tho I think it’s more that if it’s to be done best it were done quick(er) than wait till just before an election

 

[FridgeMagnet]

We've skirted around this topic before. It really turns on how many current members go with him to provide support, office space, and money. Independent candidates are usually crushed by our constituency system and it'd be difficult even with the backing of a huge Corbynite crowd flooding to London to help.

The Labour Party machine would crank into action against him, foot soldiers, money and all.

I think a lot of the local Labour Party machine - the one that matters when it comes to elections - would crank into action for him. He's also just generally a popular local MP. It would be extremely embarrassing if Labour deselected him and he still won, and I bet they are taking that into account.

 

[Dogsauce]

Independent candidates are normally crushed by the fact no-one knows who they are or what they stand for. And the ones that doesn't apply to are normally crushed by the fact that nobody cares. I think Corbyn is a rare example where that wouldn't be the case - it's still a challenge to win against the established party but he'd certainly have a much better chance than most.

It’ll be like Livingstone when he ran for mayor as an independent. They’d be stupid to embarrass themselves again like this.

 

[kebabking]

It’ll be like Livingstone when he ran for mayor as an independent. They’d be stupid to embarrass themselves again like this.

Depends on what they consider as the worst case.

My feeling is that there's a sizable slice of the LP who would be very happy to put a no hope, zero visibility candidate up against an indy Corbyn, and lose by 10k+ if that means a) he can never return to the LP, and b) they can then purge the party of every single member who liked a single one of his campaign tweets.

They'd prefer to beat him, obviously, that would be the most desirable outcome, but what will determine what they do is what it is they want to achieve, and what they're prepared to pay in order to achieve it.

I think they'll learn the Livingstone lesson - they'll put someone relatively disposable up against him, and depending on their private polling, probably not bother putting any national level campaigning into the fight. Then, when they lose, they can say with a straight face that they didn't really try.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Depends on what they consider as the worst case.

My feeling is that there's a sizable slice of the LP who would be very happy to put a no hope, zero visibility candidate up against an indy Corbyn, and lose by 10k+ if that means a) he can never return to the LP, and b) they can then purge the party of every single member who liked a single one of his campaign tweets.

They'd prefer to beat him, obviously, that would be the most desirable outcome, but what will determine what they do is what it is they want to achieve, and what they're prepared to pay in order to achieve it.

I think they'll learn the Livingstone lesson - they'll put someone relatively disposable up against him, and depending on their private polling, probably not bother putting any national level campaigning into the fight. Then, when they lose, they can say with a straight face that they didn't really try.

I reckon there's too many egos around for that. Losing to History's Most Unelectable Man would definitely put a few noses out of joint.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Of course the LibDems were pushing a system that they thought would most favour them, they are politicians when all is said and done. However imperfect it might have been it would have been a bit better than the current winner takes all setup.
And the great thing about a little reform is it opens the door to a little more and a little more after that. The argument that we're not getting everything we want so we'll turn down something and stick with nothing is self-defeating.
I can understand why people might want to 'Stick It to Clegg' the man was insufferably smug. But that little moment of sticking it to the man has contributed to keeping the Tories in power for another generation at least.
Especially given the complete and probably irreversable collapse of the Labour vote in Scotland once their strongest heartland has put yet another obstacle in their path that FPTP accentuates.

lol

 

[tim]

If they want a serious challenger to Corbyn, they shoud get Frank Dobson to stand. He's to the he left of Starmer and has got experience at this kind of challenge. If Dobson is unavailable, Steve Norris for the same reasons.

 

[MickiQ]

I reckon that between now and the next GE a deal will be struck to let him back in unless he decides to just retire. If he runs as an independent one of two things will happen, either he wins or the official Labour candidate will, everyone else is just taking up space. I think that at a GE Corbyn would lose but it doesn't matter either way, it will be a massive and divisive shit show that Labour (already the underdogs) really don't need that will distract attention from the rest of their campaign and split the LP (not the world's most unified body at the best of times).
I honestly don't get Starmer's obsession with Corbyn TBH, Corbyn's is due his share of blame for the 2019 defeat but his political relevance was over come the morning of 13/12/2019, Sir Kier the Hopeless doesn't need to prove he's not Corbyn, he needs to prove he's not Johnson and he is doing a shit job of that so far.

 

[Pickman's model]

I reckon that between now and the next GE a deal will be struck to let him back in unless he decides to just retire. If he runs as an independent one of two things will happen, either he wins or the official Labour candidate will, everyone else is just taking up space. I think that at a GE Corbyn would lose but it doesn't matter either way, it will be a massive and divisive shit show that Labour (already the underdogs) really don't need that will distract attention from the rest of their campaign and split the LP (not the world's most unified body at the best of times).
I honestly don't get Starmer's obsession with Corbyn TBH, Corbyn's is due his share of blame for the 2019 defeat but his political relevance was over come the morning of 13/12/2019, Sir Kier the Hopeless doesn't need to prove he's not Corbyn, he needs to prove he's not Johnson and he is doing a shit job of that so far.

the difference between sir keithly shammer and boris johnson is sir keithly would be more efficient.

 

[Pickman's model]

If they want a serious challenger to Corbyn, they shoud get Frank Dobson to stand. He's to the he left of Starmer and has got experience at this kind of challenge. If Dobson is unavailable, Steve Norris for the same reasons.

to be fair edward heath was to the left of sir keithly shammer

 

[hitmouse]

If they want a serious challenger to Corbyn, they shoud get Frank Dobson to stand. He's to the he left of Starmer and has got experience at this kind of challenge. If Dobson is unavailable, Steve Norris for the same reasons.

To my mind, there's only one man for the job: Former Scotland and Leeds United frontman Arthur Graham.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Deja-viz

 

[hash tag]

Corbyn speaks No to War in Ukraine

 

[hitmouse]

Corbyn speaks No to War in Ukraine

Sounds like he probably won't be joining McDonnell at this one:

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Good article here exposing the hysterical lies of the Starmerite rightwing revisionist cult:

Russia-Ukraine war: Jeremy Corbyn was right all along about Putin and his oligarchs

Far from being pro-Putin, Corbyn warned against him when others didn’t

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[Pickman's model]

Good article here exposing the hysterical lies of the Starmerite rightwing revisionist cult:

Russia-Ukraine war: Jeremy Corbyn was right all along about Putin and his oligarchs

Far from being pro-Putin, Corbyn warned against him when others didn’t

www.middleeasteye.net

the shammerite right-wing revisionist clique