Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Sue]

Starmer is a pretender. He pretended to be leftwing when it suited him. He pretended to be in favour of party unity. He just lied. He's linked up with the right and still pretends that the left is riddled with anti-semitism, yet ploughs on with expelling anti-zionist jews. He can't be trusted.

I'm not convinced he's pretending at being quite this rubbish.

 

[cloudyday]

Sir Keith Stürmer

 

[Puddy_Tat]

ok, as regards the rt hon sir keir starmer kcb qc -

what policies?

other than the ones he said he'd stick with to get elected as party leader and has since said he'd ditch?

 

[danny la rouge]

Because he achieved something from ability and he isnt a cop. Seems like inverse snobbery to me. Sorry.

All knights are cunts. And he is a cop.

 

[Balbi]

Knighted by the Tories for making sure Cressida Dick or anyone else didn't get prosecuted for murdering Jean Charles de Menezes, worked his arse off to make sure Simon Harwood didn't initially get pinged for murdering Ian Tomlinson, banging up as many youths as possible after the 2011 riots, and toeing the line for both Labour and the Tories.

He's a fucking cop.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

 

[teqniq]

...Why not wait until policies are rolled out before doing the tories work for them?

Where are those then? Down the back of the sofa?

 

[Raheem]

I’d engage more if you could say his name rather than use a childish nickname.

Anti Starmer sentiment appears to be about not liking somebody because of his name or his suit. Why not wait until policies are rolled out before doing the tories work for them?

I like his name in theory, although it is wearing somewhat. I can't picture his suit. It's just a suit, isn't it?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

what policies?

Quite. At some point the Tories will either stick with Johnson and unite around a ‘phase two’ populist programme or they will ditch him and go for an early election with the new leader. So, at some point Labour and Starmer are going to need to set out some concrete policies that will connect widely and show what Labour offers.

I actually think the Green New Deal proposals are very good (and unlike embittered Corbyn types welcome the fact that it’s been nicked from JC/McDonnell and put forward). But where is the rest of it? Where is the post-covid economic strategy? Where is a real industrial strategy? Where is their own ‘levelling up’ plan? What about education? Why hasn’t anything he’s said or done cut through after two years?

I agree with Supine that the childish criticism of Starmer is frustrating. There are far more serious criticisms that need be focussed on

 

[a_chap]

Yes. I hate people saying Boris and I hate people saying Keith. For different reasons but both turn me off the discussion.

From where I'm sitting it really doesn't appear to have turned you off the discussion at all...

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

The 'Keith' thing is shit tbf.

 

[hitmouse]

does sir kieth count as 'left' though? centrist dad at best, alternative conservative party at worst.

in other news, momentum have opened membership to people who are not in the labour party

I swear Momentum was open to people who weren't in Labour back in 2015, eg:

What is Momentum? It means not waiting until we're in Government to get things done - LabourList

Labour is in opposition and I hate it. This week I’ve been in Manchester where the Conservative Party…

labourlist.org

Momentum is a network for people inside and outside the Labour Party to organise and build a mass, democratic movement for progressive change.

Jeremy Corbyn's Team Launch Ongoing Activist Campaign

The team can call on the contact details of tens of thousands of Corbyn supporters for their activist group, which will exist outside the Labour party.

www.buzzfeed.com

The spokesperson insisted the movement must be kept open to people who didn't want to join the party and said it had more in common with the grassroots pro-independence movement in Scotland and this summer's anti-bailout campaign in Greece.

Unless they became Labour-only at some point and are now opening up again?

And an mp and privy councillor

And a cunt.

Yes. I hate people saying Boris and I hate people saying Keith. For different reasons but both turn me off the discussion.

That is reasonable, tbf, I usually just say Sir Keir Starmer when I want to be insulting. I quite like Oh Sir Keir Starmer, but I suppose that one's about winding up Corbynites as much as Starmerites.

Where are those then? Down the back of the sofa?

Don't worry, Sue Gray's report into what Labour's policies are is due to be published any day now.

 

[killer b]

Unless they became Labour-only at some point and are now opening up again?

yeah they did

 

[Pickman's model]

And a cunt.

a synonym of mp

 

[Pickman's model]

Quite. At some point the Tories will either stick with Johnson and unite around a ‘phase two’ populist programme or they will ditch him and go for an early election with the new leader.

or they'll take a bit from column a and a bit from column b

 

[Pickman's model]

I like his name in theory, although it is wearing somewhat. I can't picture his suit. It's just a suit, isn't it?

it's the same colour as johnson's







etc etc

 

[Smokeandsteam]

That is reasonable, tbf, I usually just say Sir Keir Starmer when I want to be insulting. I quite like Oh Sir Keir Starmer, but I suppose that one's about winding up Corbynites as much as Starmerites.

 

[danny la rouge]

The 'Keith' thing is shit tbf.

It is.

 

[19sixtysix]

Starmer is pointless. He'll accomplish nothing even if he manages to win. He'll cover up poverty with money from the less poor while rich continue to accrue more and more. Labour is finished as a source of improvement in this country. Have a look at the register of members interests at who's been paying him money over the years and pulling his strings.

 

[killer b]

kieth was funny for a week or so in 2020, but it's two years past it's sell by date now

 

[danny la rouge]

Starmer is pointless. He'll accomplish nothing even if he manages to win.

Indeed. The most it is possible, historically, to accomplish via parliamentary democracy is a social democratic accommodation with capital. But we aren’t currently in the conditions where that is possible. The working class doesn’t have enough leverage. The window of possibilities is degrees of neoliberalism. (Neoconservatism is out of favour with capital).

It should be remembered that power is not held in government. Government is only a partner in power, and a junior one. Real power is held by capital. Capital will only tolerate so much deviation from what it considers to be in its interests.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Passive aggressive isn’t a great look. Left fighting left yet again when the tories are on the ropes.

It's the timing that gets me, Partygate in full swing and Labour high in the polls. Complete lack of political nous.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The most it is possible, historically, to accomplish via parliamentary democracy is a social democratic accommodation with capital. But we aren’t currently in the conditions where that is possible. The working class doesn’t have enough leverage. The window of possibilities is degrees of neoliberalism. (Neoconservatism is out of favour with capital).

Spot on. But Starmer hasn't even managed to produce a facsimile of Biden's limited programme which I expected him to have cobbled together by now. I'd also expected it to be wrapped around PMC equalities signaling and with some serious intent about restoring the authority of elite liberal democracy post Brexit and Johnson. Disappointing.

 

[sleaterkinney]

There's no real need to serve up policies right now, wait until an election to set your stall out. It would just give the tories something to attack to take the heat off.

 

[Pickman's model]

There's no real need to serve up policies right now, wait until an election to set your stall out. It would just give the tories something to attack to take the heat off.

that's a very kinnockite line. and you know how often he was elected prime minister

 

[killer b]

It's not just a media strategy he's on about though, it's the lack of clear policies and direction.

oh.

 

[DotCommunist]

It's the timing that gets me, Partygate in full swing and Labour high in the polls. Complete lack of political nous.

God it must be so frustrating to see wreckers two footing everything they can. That must be so annoying for you.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's the timing that gets me, Partygate in full swing and Labour high in the polls. Complete lack of political nous.

imagine how high they'd be if people knew what they actually stood for

as they don't, this can only be people wanting not to vote tory atm and not people wanting to vote labour.

 

[Pickman's model]

Spot on. But Starmer hasn't even managed to produce a facsimile of Biden's limited programme which I expected him to have cobbled together by now. I'd also expected it to be wrapped around PMC equalities signaling and with some serious intent about restoring the authority of elite liberal democracy post Brexit and Johnson. Disappointing.

it's scrawled in crayon on a packet of rizla

 

[billy_bob]

Spot on. But Starmer hasn't even managed to produce a facsimile of Biden's limited programme which I expected him to have cobbled together by now. I'd also expected it to be wrapped around PMC equalities signaling and with some serious intent about restoring the authority of elite liberal democracy post Brexit and Johnson. Disappointing.

Yes, this. The creation of the welfare state was an accommodation with capital too, but at least it was politicians with a degree of ambition about something better than the current status quo seizing on the opportunity presented by the post-WWII climate, with material improvements for a lot of people as a result. Covid and post-Covid could arguably have been the biggest opportunity since then to try a bit fucking harder and offer ... something, anything, worth voting for. Instead, Starmer's just stood there like an overstuffed sofa left out in the rain, waiting for Johnson to trip over his own feet.