Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Brainaddict]

I'm sure the right-wing press would find a way to do a hatchet job on whoever this new leftist party field as a representative, Corbyn or otherwise.

They would try, but they might have less success. I don't agree with everything in this article but it did pretty much predict Corbyn's weak point before the media had really got their claws in: The Quietus | Features | Last House On The Left: Following Jeremy Corbyn's Campaign Trail

There is at least one Israeli citizen to whom Corbyn has chosen to extend the hand of friendship: Raed Salah, leader of the northern branch of the Islamic Movement in Israel, enthusiastic proponent of the “Jews did 9/11” theory and spreader of the Blood Libel. Now, there's really no point in talking to people like Raed Salah – other than to say “Fuck off, Raed Salah.” There's simply nothing to be gained. They have no interest in “finding common ground”... “a greater understanding”... “peace”. It's clear what Corbyn was thinking: Theresa May was trying to boot Salah out of the country at the time, on charges which Corbyn considered unfair. But the warmth with which he hailed his latest cause celebre was startling: “[Salah] is far from a dangerous man,” he gushed. “He's a very honoured citizen. He represents his people very well.” And, issuing an invitation to the House of Commons: “You will be assured of a very warm welcome, and I look forward to giving you tea on the terrace, because you deserve it.”

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Change had their launch at Nando's. Where would Corbyn launch/have his tea at?

Apparently this is his favourite falafel spot

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Surely a new party led by the Jezziah would just split the anti-tory vote?

 

[Pickman's model]

Apparently this is his favourite falafel spot

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They've always done good kebabs there

 

[planetgeli]

They've always done good kebabs there

Apart from the one that gave me my first ever food poisoning in 1985-ish (assuming it's the same place opposite Archway Towers).

 

[Smokeandsteam]

As an aside Mason has now arrived at a point where he supports a progressive alliance of liberals, remainers, greens, middle class liberal lefties but not a new left party:

Why a new left party led by Jeremy Corbyn is a bad idea

A new left party would be a distraction – the most important struggle is still within Labour itself.

www.newstatesman.com

 

[Pickman's model]

Apart from the one that gave me my first ever food poisoning in 1985-ish (assuming it's the same place opposite Archway Towers).

No, it's on the same side of the road as archway tower just past the (now former) post office. Never been to the one opposite the tower

 

[Pickman's model]

As an aside Mason has now arrived at a point where he supports a progressive alliance of liberals, remainers, greens, middle class liberal lefties but not a new left party:

Why a new left party led by Jeremy Corbyn is a bad idea

A new left party would be a distraction – the most important struggle is still within Labour itself.

www.newstatesman.com

He's spread so thinly these days

 

[sleaterkinney]

Posadas Fried Chicken

He’s a vegan, of course.

 

[belboid]

He’s a vegan, of course.

interplanetary chicken is made from rare minerals only found in Spiral Galaxy 28948

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Do you think Jezza might go for it once he sees how close this thread is to 1,000 pages?

 

[hash tag]

Do you think Jezza might go for it once he sees how close this thread is to 1,000 pages?

Magnificent. Considering how long it's been going and how far it's come, who is to say he's not already following it
Just goes to show how enduring he is.

 

[Pickman's model]

Do you think Jezza might go for it once he sees how close this thread is to 1,000 pages?

I think post 2 will cheer him up

 

[The39thStep]

He’s a vegan, of course.

He’s launching a manifesto not an own brand menu .

 

[sleaterkinney]

He’s launching a manifesto not an own brand menu .

Same thing if you think about it.

 

[hash tag]

I think post 2 will cheer him up

Maybe 3 & 4 also. But hey, the legend lives on

 

[hitmouse]

Change had their launch at Nando's. Where would Corbyn launch/have his tea at?

Shed in the allotment, with homemade rhubarb jam sandwiches for all?

Surely a new party led by the Jezziah would just split the anti-tory vote?

I mean, in Islington there's probably enough anti-tory votes to go around?

He’s launching a manifesto not an own brand menu .

Or is that just what he wants you to think, and all the stuff about a new party is actually just a decoy to throw people off the scent?

 

[Elpenor]

The party should be called the Jeremist movement

 

[bellaozzydog]

My favourite Cornish socialist on the story

 

[Balbi]

The canvassers thing is interesting, if Corbs was running independently a lot of left wing folks would go and put the yards in for him on the ground. Since Starmer took over, it's been pretty noticeable that Labour's by election efforts have involved a lot of MPs having to leg it around the country because a fuck load of members are either not coming out or have just left the party entirely.

When 2023 and the election rolls around, Labour aren't going to have anything like the ground teams they had in 2017 and 2019, probably more like 2010 and 2015.

 

[Supine]

When 2023 and the election rolls around, Labour aren't going to have anything like the ground teams they had in 2017 and 2019, probably more like 2010 and 2015.

2019 was the worst labour result since 1935 so maybe the ground team wasn’t that significant.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

2019 was the worst labour result since 1935 so maybe the ground team wasn’t that significant.

depends on what basis - higher share of vote (nationally) than the great pre-corbyn centrist dad triumphs of 2010 and 2015 (source) although that of course doesn't win elections...

 

[splonkydoo]

He's spread so thinly these days

Paul the Marxist Marmite

 

[belboid]

2019 was the worst labour result since 1935 so maybe the ground team wasn’t that significant.

lowest number of MP's returned across the UK (although England, Wales and Scotland all returned fewer MP's on occasion). A significantly larger vote than in many elections.

 

[Balbi]

2019 was the worst labour result since 1935 so maybe the ground team wasn’t that significant.

Worst result on MPs returned, helped hugely by Farage's mob only standing Brexit Party candidates in Labour seats or against Tory Remainers.

2017 and 2019 saw Labour's vote % beat 2010 and 2015.

Realistically Starmer can expect the Lib Dems to clean up some soft Tory seats now they've apparently been forgiven for the Coalition by voters, but that still essentially takes you back to 2010.

Starmer and his lot obviously want 1997 redux and that did rely, especially in 2005, on a strong Lib Dems. But it also needed Labour to win in Scotland as well, and let's be real that's never happening again.

 

[19force8]

Do you think Jezza might go for it once he sees how close this thread is to 1,000 pages?

The thought of seeing that momentous achievement is what's kept me going this last couple of years.

 

[Pickman's model]

Worst result on MPs returned

on a vote which had delivered victories earlier in the century. and there are people who have the gall to tell us we live in a democracy.

2005: labour win (under blair) with 9.55m
2019: labour lose (under corbyn) with 10.27m

 

[billy_bob]

We all know MPs returned is a useless measure of overall support, and at the same time the only one that matters. Even a party offering meaningful voting reform (and it looks like Labour are going to have to be humiliated a bit longer before they're persuaded that's better than carrying on like this) has to play the current game long enough to get resoundingly elected to be able to implement it.

If we're talking about impact of ground troops in 2019, there may have been many more willing canvassers than in other recent elections but the disappointing MP count shows either they weren't strategic enough about targeting the right areas or they were targeting the right areas but weren't good enough at convincing the people they found there. I wasn't among them but I know people who were and I think both of those were factors, at least in my area. The people who got off their arses often didn't have a lot of political experience; the people who did have experience were not pro-Corbyn and were reluctant to join in, if not actively sabotaging their new hard-left entryist comrades.

 

[MickiQ]

on a vote which had delivered victories earlier in the century. and there are people who have the gall to tell us we live in a democracy.

2005: labour win (under blair) with 9.55m
2019: labour lose (under corbyn) with 10.27m

The 2019 result was more democratic than the 2005 one, In 2005 Labour won with 9.55m but the Tories got 8.78m and the LibDems got nearly 6m. In 2019 the Tories got 14m more than Labour and LibDems combined.
The current system is a democracy but a rather limited one sadly in that only the votes of a couple of million people (tops) count in the end.
However the one chance we were offered to make it slightly more democratic we turned it down so there aren't going to be any reforms for a while.

 

[DotCommunist]

I'd imagine the 'ground game' was proper hamstrung in leave seats by adopting the disastrous second reff position, I bet those conversations were excruciating.

However the one chance we were offered to make it slightly more democratic

Well, AV very much looked like a way to empower the Lib Dems a bit more at the same time as the lib dems were happily nodding through massive assaults on the living standards of the poorest in society (in exchange for a tax on plastic bags) so you can hardly be suprised that it got minimal support even from people usually receptive to talk of electoral reform. Also the Cons had promised not to oppose it, which turned out to be a lie, would you credit such a thing etc.