Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[gosub]

Corbyn: Disband military alliances like Nato to bring about peace

The former Labour leader is a long-standing critic of Nato.

www.theargus.co.uk

Vaguely recognise the name, did he used to be somebody?


There is a point where mutual defense organization's become too large to be effective. However do offer a cost effective and force amplifiin way of keeping bar do wells at bay.

You can't just offer those with a conflicting intrest a pot of jam and hope everything will be alright

 

[gosub]

Had a chance to look him up. Turns out Jermemy Corbyn didn't even invent the trouser press, it was some other fella apparently.

 

[hash tag]

Had a chance to look him up. Turns out Jermemy Corbyn didn't even invent the trouser press, it was some other fella apparently.

I share your disappointment.

 

[a_chap]

Had a chance to look him up. Turns out Jeremy Corbyn didn't even invent the trouser press, it was some other fella apparently.

I've never even heard of a Jeremy trouser press.

 

[hash tag]

I've never even heard of a Jeremy trouser press.

Funny that when Jeremy speaks so highly of you.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

 

[hitmouse]

Not really sure what the post above is about, but anyway.
We're entering the start of peak SWP postering season, and I spotted one of these yesterday:

Did he always do that, or is this a new development?

 

[Dom Traynor]

I'm sure Janet Alder stepped away from them for a while after the Comrade Delta stuff. Must've been enough time to forgive them.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Did he always do that, or is this a new development?

Assume he's there in his STW capacity.

Fucking dreadful line up.

 

[Pickman's model]

Assume he's there in his STW capacity.

Fucking dreadful line up.

mike davis not bad

 

[Pickman's model]

Not really sure what the post above is about, but anyway.
We're entering the start of peak SWP postering season, and I spotted one of these yesterday:
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Did he always do that, or is this a new development?

after 45 years perhaps it's time to start ripping off a different album cover

 

[PR1Berske]

after 45 years perhaps it's time to start ripping off a different album cover

Can you imagine how many meetings there'd be too agree on which album to use instead?

 

[Pickman's model]

Can you imagine how many meetings there'd be too agree on which album to use instead?

i don't care, i wouldn't be in any of them

 

[hitmouse]

The detail about him being "in the Bookmarks culture tent" is particularly baffling. Unless he's moved on from jam-making to yoghurt-making?

 

[oryx]

Labour: Difficult to see Jeremy Corbyn return after Nato remarks - Starmer

The ex-Labour leader suggested the alliance be disbanded, sparking further ire from the current boss.

www.bbc.co.uk

Looks like unequivocal support for NATO is now a condition of being a Labour MP...

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Depressing stuff. If the left of the party is signed up to ‘socialism without the working class’ dead end then the intellectual, political and existential disorientation of the Labour Party is even more sharp than I’d realised.

Given where she comes from, and given the support she’s enjoyed from Unite in our region, I’m hoping that the quote is selective editing from the New Statesman.

Can Zarah Sultana save the Labour left?

The 28-year-old socialist MP on her viral fame, social media abuse and Keir Starmer’s leadership.

www.newstatesman.com

 

[oryx]

I’m hoping that the quote is selective editing from the New Statesman.

Can Zarah Sultana save the Labour left?

The 28-year-old socialist MP on her viral fame, social media abuse and Keir Starmer’s leadership.

www.newstatesman.com

Sorry, not with you - which quote?

 

[Wilf]

Sorry, not with you - which quote?

This perhaps?

To have a Labour prime minister in Downing Street, the electoral coalition that you need is young people. It’s ethnic-minority communities, its Muslims and its progressives. And the local election results in England suggest that we are perhaps losing prospective Labour voters to the Greens and to the Lib Dems. And that’s something that I think the leadership should pay a lot of attention to.”

 

[oryx]

This perhaps?

What she says is true though - you do need those people. You could argue that there are a lot of other omissions - disabled people, refugees, people on benefits, and so on. Plus very many of the people she mentions will be working-class.

What does working-class mean these days, anyway?

 

[Dom Traynor]

Depressing stuff. If the left of the party is signed up to ‘socialism without the working class’ dead end then the intellectual, political and existential disorientation of the Labour Party is even more sharp than I’d realised.

Given where she comes from, and given the support she’s enjoyed from Unite in our region, I’m hoping that the quote is selective editing from the New Statesman.

Can Zarah Sultana save the Labour left?

The 28-year-old socialist MP on her viral fame, social media abuse and Keir Starmer’s leadership.

www.newstatesman.com

It's the New Statesman view of the Labour left which is not always the same thing as the actual Labour Left (although it is sometimes)

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Sorry, not with you - which quote?

What she says is true though - you do need those people. You could argue that there are a lot of other omissions - disabled people, refugees, people on benefits, and so on. Plus very many of the people she mentions will be working-class.

What does working-class mean these days, anyway?

What she could have said is “To have a Labour prime minister in Downing Street, we need to reconnect when those communities that once supported us but who have been turning away from us in growing numbers for the past 30 years. We need to find out why by first listening to them. We need to work with and support trade unions to rebuild and to organise workers in the private sector and we need to help communities to renew collective institutions that promote and provide social solidarity. To win we need an electoral coalition of the modern British working class: young and old, multi racial and across all parts of Britain. And the local election results in England suggest that we are perhaps losing prospective Labour voters to the Greens and to the Lib Dems. And that’s something that I think the leadership should pay a lot of attention to.”

It’s not hard is it and that suggests that the omissions are quite deliberate and that no lessons have been learned from the last GE. And we know how that turned ot. As I say, depressing

 

[Doctor Carrot]

What does working-class mean these days, anyway?

Oh christ don't start that. The people on here who have designated themselves spokespersons for it will have a seisure.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Not really sure what the post above is about, but anyway.
We're entering the start of peak SWP postering season, and I spotted one of these yesterday:
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Did he always do that, or is this a new development?

Didn't know Tariq Ali was still going.

Also don't know why anyone would touch the SWP with a barge pole.

 

[LDC]

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[LDC]

The detail about him being "in the Bookmarks culture tent" is particularly baffling. Unless he's moved on from jam-making to yoghurt-making?

He's doing magic tricks maybe?

 

[Cerv]

What she could have said is “To have a Labour prime minister in Downing Street, we need to reconnect when those communities that once supported us but who have been turning away from us in growing numbers for the past 30 years. We need to find out why by first listening to them. We need to work with and support trade unions to rebuild and to organise workers in the private sector and we need to help communities to renew collective institutions that promote and provide social soldiery. To win we need an electoral coalition of the modern British working class: young and old, multi racial and across all parts of Britain. And the local election results in England suggest that we are perhaps losing prospective Labour voters to the Greens and to the Lib Dems. And that’s something that I think the leadership should pay a lot of attention to.”

It’s not hard is it and that suggests that the omissions are quite deliberate and that no lessons have been learned from the last GE. And we know how that turned ot. As I say, depressing

not quite as snappy though is it? more than twice as long.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

not quite as snappy though is it? more than twice as long.

Well, I’d cut the last bit off about seeking alliances with liberals and progressives, but each to their own…

 

[Knotted]

I think the younger generation are proletarianised like never before (in living memory) and more aware of it. Labour and the Labour left aren't about sinking new routes into working class communities and I can't remember a time when they were, they certainly failed to do this during the Corbyn years. But with that failure in mind I don't blame them for looking to where there's real spontaneous energy.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

What she could have said is “To have a Labour prime minister in Downing Street, we need to reconnect when those communities that once supported us but who have been turning away from us in growing numbers for the past 30 years. We need to find out why by first listening to them. We need to work with and support trade unions to rebuild and to organise workers in the private sector and we need to help communities to renew collective institutions that promote and provide social soldiery. To win we need an electoral coalition of the modern British working class: young and old, multi racial and across all parts of Britain. And the local election results in England suggest that we are perhaps losing prospective Labour voters to the Greens and to the Lib Dems. And that’s something that I think the leadership should pay a lot of attention to.”

It’s not hard is it and that suggests that the omissions are quite deliberate and that no lessons have been learned from the last GE. And we know how that turned ot. As I say, depressing

 

[Brainaddict]

What she could have said is “To have a Labour prime minister in Downing Street, we need to reconnect when those communities that once supported us but who have been turning away from us in growing numbers for the past 30 years. We need to find out why by first listening to them. We need to work with and support trade unions to rebuild and to organise workers in the private sector and we need to help communities to renew collective institutions that promote and provide social soldiery. To win we need an electoral coalition of the modern British working class: young and old, multi racial and across all parts of Britain. And the local election results in England suggest that we are perhaps losing prospective Labour voters to the Greens and to the Lib Dems. And that’s something that I think the leadership should pay a lot of attention to.”

It’s not hard is it and that suggests that the omissions are quite deliberate and that no lessons have been learned from the last GE. And we know how that turned ot. As I say, depressing

She's one of the few MPs in parliament who consistently refers to class, and to social movements as the key driver of change and referrent for her politics, but she didn't say exactly what you want so you're going to bitch and moan about it. This is why we can't have nice things.