Is this woman a transphobe?
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hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Did you even read the article?
I think that where someone explicitly and at length refers to the legal document they're talking about, they're probably trying to communicate the meaning used in that legal document, which is why they're citing and discussing it.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Fair enough, I missed that part, instead finding the bit where Kathleen Stock is described as a "genocide apologist" in the conclusion to the article.
So, it was wrong of me to say that the writer used it with the intention of it being understood in terms of its conventional dictionary definition.
Cid
Proper break this time
I think it's worth reposting the Sarah Ahmed article hitmouse linked to earlier, since it pretty comprehensively deals with many of the points that keep coming up.
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I do wonder why people (well, teuchter at the moment) think that 'I've talked to a couple of people, don't really know anything about the arguments, but y'know, have this kind of vibe' is a sound basis for charging into a thread about the rights of an extremely marginalised group and arguing the toss about the finer points of their eradication.
Anyway, shouldn't really be back, least of all on this thread. I shall fuck back off into my void.
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I do wonder why people (well, teuchter at the moment) think that 'I've talked to a couple of people, don't really know anything about the arguments, but y'know, have this kind of vibe' is a sound basis for charging into a thread about the rights of an extremely marginalised group and arguing the toss about the finer points of their eradication.
Anyway, shouldn't really be back, least of all on this thread. I shall fuck back off into my void.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
The BBC has given a platform to a vicious transphobe, and half-arsedly amended the article afterwards (while leaving intact a provable lie). The following video is a decent summary, less than 20 mins:
Fucking TERF island strikes again.
Fucking TERF island strikes again.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Didn't we already discuss this one?
If that's true, then I apologise. I haven't been religiously following this thread. But it looks like the BBC has yet to correct their error.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
No prob - there is some useful context there that fills in some of the stuff mauvais was talking about earlier in the thread, and which was veiled sufficiently in the amended article for me to miss some important bits of the awful tone (not that it was just a matter of tone).
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Not really such great lengths tbh. They mostly just say, 'I'm not a bigot' while going around being bigoted and everyone somehow takes their word for it.
You are free to say whatever you want but if you are angry and hiding on a internet forum and using language like that. It is you who has a problem
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
I know right... I hate it when call me a racist pedophile cannibal. It just adds to the divide.
BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
If someone's saying something transphobic then they deserve to be challenged and called out on it. Regardless of if they are speaking their mind or not.
Athos
Well-Known Member
There's nothing wrong with the word 'transphobe' per se, as long as it's used to describe people who are transphobes, of which they're are many. The issue is when it's used in bad faith to try to silence people who aren't transphobes.
liquidindian
Hello
I've learned in the last year or so just how much this trope is relied on to hide bullshit opinions. Saying that you prefer ketchup over mustard is divisive. Saying that the world is round is divisive. Everything is divisive. People just don't like finding out they're suddenly on one side of a divide with some pretty unsavoury people, can we not have that particular divide please?
i was talking about the word itself. Not everyone can contain and control their emotions. Using belboid as an example. They want shutdown conversations. Which is like using the word "transphobe" and instead of talking and being rational
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Just asking questions.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
Piss off
And take your bullshit with you.
It's a wankers tactic to accuse the people you disagree with of being emotional and not rational.
It's a giant pile of poo.
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Oh gawd
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Fuck off cunt.
Athos
Well-Known Member
That's true to extent. But, even as someone who believes in trans rights and women's (hard won) rights to single sex (not gender) spaces, I recognise that some straight-up bigots co-opt women's rights (which they don't support in any other context) as cover for transhobia.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Not everyone can write sentences according to this post.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Fuck off.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
Your actual the ones who are racist against white people!!!11!!one!
kittyP
Pluviophile
The reason people are upset is that you're a "new poster"
turning up, wading in on a long running, upsetting thread/subject with your 2 pence worth with no regard to the history of the subject and its effects on this site.Do you regularly walk in to pubs and cafes and just tell your opinions to random strangers that are sitting having other conversations?
Yossarian
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Don't you have a boy wizard to write about?
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