Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
It's not generally fat that piles the weight on, it's sugar and refined flour.
Is obesity a disability?
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It's not generally fat that piles the weight on, it's sugar and refined flour.
kittyP
Pluviophile
But the issue is, what's actually good for us is open to much interpretation and not generally agreed upon across the board of professionals.
Yes, as has been said, energy in - energy out is a very very basic truth. But it's essentially useless unless looked at through a holistic broad approach.
There are too many variations.
And whatever your intention, you have totally come across as blaming and shaming (apart from occasionally) as far as I can see.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
As I've said, I couldn't care less if other people are overweight. TBH, once you get friendly (or work) with overweight people, you do often begin to suss why people are overweight. I'm slim and I get people observing/commenting on my eating habits, so you'll find most people are at summing other people up.
kittyP
Pluviophile
As I've said, I couldn't care less if other people are overweight. TBH, once you get friendly (or work) with overweight people, you do often begin to suss why people are overweight. I'm slim and I get people observing/commenting on my eating habits, so you'll find most people are at summing other people up.
Lots of people feel they have the right to comment on other people looks. Fat, thin, tall, short, butch, feminine etc etc.
You may well not care if anyone is over weight but the things you've been saying promote a judgemental approach which isn't helpful.
Looby
Well-Known Member
As I've said, I couldn't care less if other people are overweight. TBH, once you get friendly (or work) with overweight people, you do often begin to suss why people are overweight. I'm slim and I get people observing/commenting on my eating habits, so you'll find most people are at summing other people up.
Sorry but this is bullshit. You'll know what people choose to tell you or show you. You'll likely have no idea what else is going on for them unless you get close to them.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
I haven't said anything mean about bigger people in this thread. At the end of the day, when it comes to health issues you have (or society has) to tread a line between being kind and saying "this isn't ideal" (because of your health).
kittyP
Pluviophile
You might have not been directly "mean" to anyone on here but your whole approach has been judgemental.
Unfortunately, whether you intended to be or not, if you have come across that way, it's something you have to consider.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I was gonna reply to your comment earlier, Johnny Vodka but I don't think I'll bother as it's clear you either don't get it, don't want to get it or are just on a wind up. Instead I'll just immediately switch to eating 5 a day, avoiding processed food, drinking my 8 glasses of water and taking regular exercise. My 30 odd years of being either overweight, obese or morbidly obese will gradually disappear and I'll be right as rain. I mean how could I not see it before? Thanks to your helpful 'just stop eating you fat cunt' advice I feel ready to now overcome the massive self loathing I have for myself every time I eat and all the other mental fuckery that goes along with it. I'll be able to have healthy relationships and not ruin them because of my self loathing (which will of course magically disappear when I've lost all this weight) and I'll have all the confidence I need to finally find the stable employment which has eluded me my entire life because of that constant cycle of self loathing, eat, self loathing because I eat, become a fat cunt, no one will want to employ me or have a relationship with me because I'm a fat cunt, eat, become even more of a fat cunt and so on! All thanks to your helpful advice. As you've been so helpful with advising us fatties maybe you can help those bitches and darkies to stop feeling so sensitive all the time as well eh?
kittyP
Pluviophile
Maybe you could write a self help book (with a nod and royalties to JV) and then we'll all be ok too!
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
I'd just like to offer a warm, friendly hug to all my fellow fat cunts on this thread.
(((fat cunts)))
I think we need it sometimes.
(((fat cunts)))
I think we need it sometimes.
kittyP
Pluviophile
Big hugs
xxxx
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
I've always been fat. As a kid I was the chubby one. A few years ago I lost 6 stone. Something clicked in my head, and I was able to do it. I only got so far though, and it became very difficult after a certain point. My body just wouldn't respond anymore. I've since put it back on, as is the case for the majority of people. I know I won't be able to shift it again unless that thing clicks in my head again.
I can pinpoint it down to the exact moment it happened. I had occasion to have a huge weight lifted off my mind, and with that the weight on my body was able to be released as well. I've never felt as free as that moment.
I don't know what would be required to have another of those click moments. I'm not in the right place in my life. I don't know if I ever will be. I hope I am, one day. Sooner rather than later. I don't know what it would look like, so I don't know how to work towards it.
I can pinpoint it down to the exact moment it happened. I had occasion to have a huge weight lifted off my mind, and with that the weight on my body was able to be released as well. I've never felt as free as that moment.
I don't know what would be required to have another of those click moments. I'm not in the right place in my life. I don't know if I ever will be. I hope I am, one day. Sooner rather than later. I don't know what it would look like, so I don't know how to work towards it.
kittyP
Pluviophile
I was always a very skinny, pale and unhealthy looking (looking, because I wasn't really) child.
I became chunky in my late teens and early twenties, but never above a size 12-14.
Then in my mid twenties I lots tonnes of weight very quickly.
I lost 4 stone in about 2 1/2 months.
I, for me, was severely underweight. I could see all of my ribs without sucking my stomach in.
I became obsessed with being able to see my ribs and my legs not touching apart from in particular places.
Now I know that I actually have issues with, well, more self image than food as such.
It's all so very very complicated.
I so wish I was back there. Being very unhealthy but far too thin.
But also, it's extra complicated because I am mainly over weight because of meds more than anything else.
Why don't you just get a girlfriend?
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Some people who can't get a girlfriend just aren't trying hard enough. They should shower after exercising, use deodorant, and be nice to people.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
You don't need to tell me about self-loathing; I fight it practically every waking minute of my life, so I completely sympathise. I have a 'good' job fortunately, but that doesn't stop constant negative thoughts and thoughts of "why do I bother?" every morning. Chances of any relationship are zero.
I think you need to read my posts again, because I've already said some people have medical conditions, etc which make it very difficult, maybe impossible, to maintain a healthy weight. I don't know how many times I have to point this out.For a lot of people though it's just a choice whether they get a girlfriend or not.You don't need to tell me about self-loathing; I fight it practically every waking minute of my life, so I completely sympathise. I have a 'good' job fortunately, but that doesn't stop constant negative thoughts and thoughts of "why do I bother?" every morning. Chances of any relationship are zero.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
There is some sort of choice, in that maybe once every two years (if I'm lucky) someone fancies me who I don't fancy back.
I do have a note of interest at the moment but she's not really my type... Trust me, there's nevertheless a lot of moral wrangling/wrestling with temptation about whether I should do something daft anyway. 
But you accept that in a lot of cases people are simply choosing not to get a girlfriend who is their type?There is some sort of choice, in that maybe once every two years (if I'm lucky) someone fancies me who I don't fancy back.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
It's too early. I'm struggling to understand what that actually means.
I am perfectly fit and healthy though.
story
Changing the facts
Look at Robert Lustig's very interesting and persuasive videos, lectures and papers via the handy internet browser Google, as I invited you to do earlier.
He's a paediatric endocrinologist, so he has a good understanding of the metabolic system and how it develops. Over the course of his career, he has become increasingly convinced that high fructose corn syrup is the culprit. He now suggests that it should be controlled in a similar way to tobacco and alcohol. He's not a hysterical conspiraloon. Certainly, he has an agenda, but I'm always happy to listen to a learned clever thoughtful informed person who has developed an agenda as a result of deep understanding of an issue.
He offers his stuff at all levels, from a Ted talk to a lay-persons level lecture (I think it's called The Skinny on Obesity....) all the way through to the proper microbiology and mechanisms for university graduates.
And please start to consider that obesity per se is not the issue; rather it is metabolic syndrome. One of the reasons you don't hear very much about this is that it's very tricky to treat conventionally. The resultant manifestations are all treated as separate health problems but in fact they arise from one central problem. You'll see high blood pressure, high cholesterol and insulin dysfunction listed as the main issues, but in my opinion, you will also fnd thyroid problems, menstrual problems, fertility problems, and usually mood problems as well.
Just out of interest, what is your type? Are you talking about personality or looks. Or both?There is some sort of choice, in that maybe once every two years (if I'm lucky) someone fancies me who I don't fancy back.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
I don't have a type per se, but I don't think I'm fussy. What I mean by 'not fussy' is I don't have a check list.
This is a woman who contacted my via a dating site, but, above all else, she seems frighteningly clingy, even just talking online.
big girls?
story
Changing the facts
Johnny Vodka I was trying to think of a way to explain to you why your posting style is so annoying on here. All I could come up with us this. Maybe if I get enough likes for it, I'll know that I'm saying something recognisably true and you'll have something to work with.
It's like we're all in the pub (this pub analogy keeps getting wheeled out because it does work well on here)... So we're all in the pub and we're sitting and talking about a football game. We're discussing the tactics, and the manager's choices about who was on the pitch, and whether or not the weather played a part, or the new pitch, or the fact that some of the fans had been arrested outside. We're listening to those who know a lot about the play and the background, and the witty ones have enough space to pipe up every so often, even if they're not adding anything to our understanding of the game. And then you come in, and you bang the door on your way in so we all look up, and someone groans a bit and several others say "Oh he's alright at least he's a trier" so when you come over from the bar with your pint, having not offered anyone else a pint, we squish up to make space, and you sit down. You're quiet for a moment or two, and then you suddenly pile in to the conversation and you seem to be saying that the game we were discussing isn't football at all, or at least not in your interpretation, because once, you spoke with someone in Delhi who explained to you the history of the game and how it's meant to be played. The conversation stops, and someone tries to point out that Delhi football is indeed a thing, but not what we're talking about, and we try to get back to the interesting and informative discussion we were having before, but you keep piping up to tell us that on the wrong track, and we really do need to get our head around the fact that were not really discussing what we think we are, and really we ought to redefine out terms along the lines that you suggest.
So some people will just shut up, or go to another table, or even leave the pub. And some people will listen to your stuff and try to understand it and why you think that your angle is better or more true than everyone else's. And some people will actually get into a debate with you about what you're saying and try to prove that even if what you say is not in itself inaccurate, it's irrelevant to the conversation we were having.
But before too long, that original conversation is completely lost, and now we're all talking about what you think, and what you say.
And then, at some point, someone will start to lose patience with all this, because the conversation we were having was interesting and fun, and this just isn't.
At some point, you'll "inadvertently" insult someone in your effort to make a strong point.
At some point, someone will say something potentially hurtful to you, but you'll seem not to mind, maybe because some attention is better than none.
Eventually, everyone who's still at the table will begin to talk about you as if you're not even there, trying to decide whether you're actually malicious and deliberate in the way that you seem to disrupt and overturn every single conversation that you get involved with.
The thing is though, unlike Sasaferrato and Utopia and Quartz , you do seem to be at least somewhat interested in the debate rather than just imposing your viewpoint. Now, I can't work out if you really are interested in the debate, or if you've worked out that you can keep the thread going indefinitely by being just flexible enough to make everyone else feel that it's not pointless to engage with you.
It's like we're all in the pub (this pub analogy keeps getting wheeled out because it does work well on here)... So we're all in the pub and we're sitting and talking about a football game. We're discussing the tactics, and the manager's choices about who was on the pitch, and whether or not the weather played a part, or the new pitch, or the fact that some of the fans had been arrested outside. We're listening to those who know a lot about the play and the background, and the witty ones have enough space to pipe up every so often, even if they're not adding anything to our understanding of the game. And then you come in, and you bang the door on your way in so we all look up, and someone groans a bit and several others say "Oh he's alright at least he's a trier" so when you come over from the bar with your pint, having not offered anyone else a pint, we squish up to make space, and you sit down. You're quiet for a moment or two, and then you suddenly pile in to the conversation and you seem to be saying that the game we were discussing isn't football at all, or at least not in your interpretation, because once, you spoke with someone in Delhi who explained to you the history of the game and how it's meant to be played. The conversation stops, and someone tries to point out that Delhi football is indeed a thing, but not what we're talking about, and we try to get back to the interesting and informative discussion we were having before, but you keep piping up to tell us that on the wrong track, and we really do need to get our head around the fact that were not really discussing what we think we are, and really we ought to redefine out terms along the lines that you suggest.
So some people will just shut up, or go to another table, or even leave the pub. And some people will listen to your stuff and try to understand it and why you think that your angle is better or more true than everyone else's. And some people will actually get into a debate with you about what you're saying and try to prove that even if what you say is not in itself inaccurate, it's irrelevant to the conversation we were having.
But before too long, that original conversation is completely lost, and now we're all talking about what you think, and what you say.
And then, at some point, someone will start to lose patience with all this, because the conversation we were having was interesting and fun, and this just isn't.
At some point, you'll "inadvertently" insult someone in your effort to make a strong point.
At some point, someone will say something potentially hurtful to you, but you'll seem not to mind, maybe because some attention is better than none.
Eventually, everyone who's still at the table will begin to talk about you as if you're not even there, trying to decide whether you're actually malicious and deliberate in the way that you seem to disrupt and overturn every single conversation that you get involved with.
The thing is though, unlike Sasaferrato and Utopia and Quartz , you do seem to be at least somewhat interested in the debate rather than just imposing your viewpoint. Now, I can't work out if you really are interested in the debate, or if you've worked out that you can keep the thread going indefinitely by being just flexible enough to make everyone else feel that it's not pointless to engage with you.
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I'm just saying that for a lot of people it's simply a matter of choice whether they can find a girlfriend who's sufficiently non-clingy. I don't understand why you seem to have a problem acknowledging that.
Nancy_Winks
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure that's very kind.
Nancy_Winks
Well-Known Member
I understand why he's doing it. I just don't think it's very kind.
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