Is Elon Musk the greatest visionary or the greatest snake oil salesman of our age?

[NoXion]

Tesla could be credited with getting the ball rolling on the commercial success of electric vehicles, but I'd argue that's almost in spite of Musk rather than because of him. Other more established vehicle manufacturers have now moved into the BEV market, and their offerings are better than those of Tesla, whether that's in terms of price or build quality. Tesla is horrifically overvalued because Musk has convinced the stock market that they're a "tech company".

Hopefully the failure of the Cybertruck and it's shit-tastic design is the beginning of the end for Tesla.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

An obvious point but I’m reminded that now Musk is alt-right, anti-woke etc there’s a certain irony that his main business is electric cars and space travel, surely both of which are entirely ‘woke’.

why are electric cars and space travel woke?

 

[pbsmooth]

why are electric cars and space travel woke?

You’d have to ask the loonies but they tend to think climate change is a hoax so electric is a scam and expanding our horizons probably a waste of money when we could be spending it on guns or bombing some foreigners.

 

[8ball]

An obvious point but I’m reminded that now Musk is alt-right, anti-woke etc there’s a certain irony that his main business is electric cars and space travel, surely both of which are entirely ‘woke’.

Entirely? Surely Space Nazis have been a thing for ages now..

Perhaps we need a “fash or woke” thread so we can classify absolutely everything as one or the other.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

You’d have to ask the loonies but they tend to think climate change is a hoax so electric is a scam and expanding our horizons probably a waste of money when we could be spending it on guns or bombing some foreigners.

Where do the batteries in electric cars come from and do they enable the ongoing genocide in Congo and why is so difficult for cunts to walk anywhere?

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Entirely? Surely Space Nazis have been a thing for ages now..

Perhaps we need a “fash or woke” thread so we can classify absolutely everything as one or the other.

nah, you would need a subforum where each thing could be voted on in its own thread for this to work

 

[Yossarian]

nah, you would need a subforum where each thing could be voted on in its own thread for this to work

unless we agreed to vote through reactions, with = woke and = fash

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

unless we agreed to vote through reactions, with = woke and = fash

we'd need to vote on this first as not everyone might agree

 

[two sheds]

I'm not sure we should be voting on it.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Pretty sure space travel only becomes woke when they let someone who isn't a straight white man on board.

 

[Yossarian]

Pretty sure space travel only becomes woke when they let someone who isn't a straight white man on board.

A bit like piracy then

 

[Dogsauce]

An obvious point but I’m reminded that now Musk is alt-right, anti-woke etc there’s a certain irony that his main business is electric cars and space travel, surely both of which are entirely ‘woke’.

My unlikely theory is that he’s actually a woke environmentalist and realised that the only way to save the world is by getting right-wing arseholes to drive electric cars, so by clumsily faking it and becoming a hero to them he might convince them to give up the four litre pickup and get an electric version of a dumb truck instead. One day, the planet will realise this and thank him.

 

[pbsmooth]

My unlikely theory is that he’s actually a woke environmentalist and realised that the only way to save the world is by getting right-wing arseholes to drive electric cars, so by clumsily faking it and becoming a hero to them he might convince them to give up the four litre pickup and get an electric version of a dumb truck instead. One day, the planet will realise this and thank him.

I did laugh at the idea it might all be an elaborate ruse. He’s on side with the environmentalists on the fundamentals of electric cars so now play a character to get the right wingers buying his cars too. Unfortunately, I think he’s gone way past that and we’re just seeing his true colours.

 

[BigMoaner]

My unlikely theory is that he’s actually a woke environmentalist and realised that the only way to save the world is by getting right-wing arseholes to drive electric cars, so by clumsily faking it and becoming a hero to them he might convince them to give up the four litre pickup and get an electric version of a dumb truck instead. One day, the planet will realise this and thank him.

It’s actually plausible when you think about it. I don’t think he has the skill to have masterminded it though.

 

[BigMoaner]

I also think he is probably quite liberal but will allow his annoyance with “the left” to drag him to the seventh circle of hell.

 

[8ball]

It’s actually plausible when you think about it. I don’t think he has the skill to have masterminded it though.

Why do you think Jack Dorsey has been so quiet of late?

 

[Orang Utan]

What a plank

 

[Yossarian]

Looks like the freedom of speech path leads to Woke Disney's castle

 

[Raheem]

Think if you take the left path you find out that the wizard isn't really a wizard.

(Also, isn't he supposed to want us to turn to the right?)

 

[tim]

why are electric cars and space travel woke?

Milk floats were electric and all those clinking bottles must have woken millions over the years.

 

[Dogsauce]

Whichever way you go you fall into a giant chasm. Good metaphor for social media I guess.

 

[8ball]

Whichever way you go you fall into a giant chasm. Good metaphor for social media I guess.

Or life.

 

[two sheds]

 

[BigMoaner]

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What a plank

My god the bloke is an utter embarrasment.

 

[NoXion]

Cybertruck Owners Say They're Already Rusting

It's only been a couple of months since Tesla started shipping its Cybertruck. The stainless steel already appears to be rusting.

futurism.com

"It's what Blade Runner would have driven"!

Seriously though this should be hugely embarrassing for Tesla and Musk. Haven't these vehicles only just come out?

This news comes on the tail of warnings from German testing agency GTÜ that Tesla's Model 3 is a prime candidate for rust. Apparently part of the problem is that they filled the A-Pillars with construction foam, which then becomes waterlogged when exposed to wet weather. Who the fuck signed off that design decision?!

 

[teuchter]

There's quite a long history of stainless steel bodied vehicles ... what's different about the Tesla one, or is it just that the owners are too fussy?

 

[NoXion]

Like with widespread segregation and the use of lead-based pigments, there's probably good reasons why unpainted stainless steel has fallen out of favour as a vehicle finish.

 

[teuchter]

unpainted stainless steel has fallen out of favour as a vehicle finish.

I don't think it has, though, plenty of current examples, eg

E233 series - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[NoXion]

"Plenty of current examples" = 1? Weird definition but suit yourself.

 

[BigMoaner]

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What a plank

you can just imagine the biography of this Logic Genius Master:

"and then he began to send cartoon memes to the world that have the depth and sophistication of 11-13 year old, performatively-subversive neo-fascists. Still, there were literal billions in the world who thought he was a thought-leader, inventor-genius for a generation."