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Is Elon Musk the greatest visionary or the greatest snake oil salesman of our age?

My god those rims are ugly.

It looks like a cheap replica. It’s not though is it?
It's grotesque. it's one of the biggest I'm Probably An Arsehole motor vibe that i have ever seen. Even teh ford Ranger pales in contrast.

i guess i support any extra electrical cars on the road, though.
 
There's quite a long history of stainless steel bodied vehicles ... what's different about the Tesla one, or is it just that the owners are too fussy?

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If you mean the Cybertruck, it's a kind of springy stainless steel that's apparently really hard to stamp into shape because it springs back a varying amount according to various factors, so you have to "over-stamp" it to account for the springback under fairly well controlled conditions.

It also explains the odd angular appearance (minimising the number of curves to stamp), and the wonky panel gaps (about to nail that one any day now, surely?).

No, I don't know why he decided on using this stuff either.
 
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"It's what Blade Runner would have driven"! :D

Seriously though this should be hugely embarrassing for Tesla and Musk. Haven't these vehicles only just come out?

This news comes on the tail of warnings from German testing agency GTÜ that Tesla's Model 3 is a prime candidate for rust. Apparently part of the problem is that they filled the A-Pillars with construction foam, which then becomes waterlogged when exposed to wet weather. Who the fuck signed off that design decision?!
Would anybody like to guess how much sympathy I have for anyone why bought one?
 
Yes, and you digging up one example isn't sufficient to disprove my statement. I said bare steel finishes had fallen out of favour, not that they had disappeared completely.
I gave you an example of just one model of vehicle that is in common use in one of the world's biggest cities. There are 3000+ vehicles of that one model, all built within the last couple of decades, running around Tokyo everyday. In fact if you go to Tokyo you see that many of the metro companies use stainless steel bodied vehicles. The same is true in many American cities. It's a material commonly in use for transport vehicles in many places around the world, so I think it's up to you to justify your statement that it has "fallen out of favour".
 
I gave you an example of just one model of vehicle that is in common use in one of the world's biggest cities. There are 3000+ vehicles of that one model, all built within the last couple of decades, running around Tokyo everyday. In fact if you go to Tokyo you see that many of the metro companies use stainless steel bodied vehicles. The same is true in many American cities. It's a material commonly in use for transport vehicles in many places around the world, so I think it's up to you to justify your statement that it has "fallen out of favour".

No.
 
My Volkswagen Kever didn't rust (much) at all. Was outside for several months and under 10 mm of snow when I bought it - started first time :cool: . Ran for ages then ran on 3 cylinders then I'll swear ran on 2 cylinders and then didn't run at all :(
 
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I gave you an example of just one model of vehicle that is in common use in one of the world's biggest cities. There are 3000+ vehicles of that one model, all built within the last couple of decades, running around Tokyo everyday. In fact if you go to Tokyo you see that many of the metro companies use stainless steel bodied vehicles. The same is true in many American cities. It's a material commonly in use for transport vehicles in many places around the world, so I think it's up to you to justify your statement that it has "fallen out of favour".
There are literally several posters on these boards who don't live in Tokyo though. Some of us don't live in Tokyo or America.
 
There are literally several posters on these boards who don't live in Tokyo though. Some of us don't live in Tokyo or America.

Besides, if one can claim that thousands of vehicles of the same model each count as examples, then someone else can just as legitimately claim each of the many thousands more vehicles that don't have such a finish as counter-examples. It's just such a fucking obvious example of sophistry.
 
My Volkswagen Kever didn't rust (much) at all. Was outside for several months and under 10 mm of snow when I bought it - started first time :cool: . Ran for ages then ran on 3 cylinders then I'll swear ran on 2 cylinders and then didn't run at all :(

You mean it conked out before you could annexe the Sudetenland?
 
Where do the batteries in electric cars come from and do they enable the ongoing genocide in Congo and why is so difficult for cunts to walk anywhere?

The good news on this front is that LFP batteries do not contain Cobalt (or Nickel) and these are coming into EVs at the moment, because they are cheaper and nearly as energy dense as Li-ion batteries - and as a bonus they are also not flammable.
You can even buy a Tesla Model 3 with LFP batteries if you wanted a Tesla for some reason, but you know given the topic of this thread, seems relevant to mention: Electric car and van data details

Also whilst this next bit isn't in response to your comment, I'm also going to mention here that cobalt is used in the refining process to turn oil into petrol/diesel so running fossil fueled cars also enables ongoing genocide in the congo... but as you say, walking would be better than either.
 
Besides, if one can claim that thousands of vehicles of the same model each count as examples, then someone else can just as legitimately claim each of the many thousands more vehicles that don't have such a finish as counter-examples. It's just such a fucking obvious example of sophistry.
I don't know why you're going all conspiracy mode on what seems to me a fairly straightforward point.

Unpainted stainless steel is widely used, apparently without problems, on lots of vehicles around the world. It's not something that was used for a while in the past, then "fell out of favour" for some fundamental reason. Things like metro trains are still today being made this way. It doesn't matter whether it's 2% or 5% or 50% of the market; if there was a fundamental problem it would be 0%.

So I'm simply wondering why these issues are appearing on the tesla trucks. What's different about them that means these problems with corrosion/etc are happening?
 
What's different about them that means these problems with corrosion/etc are happening?

Tesla patented its own alloy, though it's not entirely clear whether it was used in the final product

It also seems like a major focus of this alloy is corrosion resistance, with the patent filing stating that “In some embodiments, the corrosion resistance of the monolithic metal sheet allows for the exterior panel of the vehicle to be utilized without application of an anticorrosion coating or corrosion protective agent (e.g. paint).“


In 2019, Musk claimed that the same alloy would be used in Cybertrucks and Starship rockets, though I don't think any Starships have survived for long enough to experience corrosion issues
 
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The good news on this front is that LFP batteries do not contain Cobalt (or Nickel) and these are coming into EVs at the moment, because they are cheaper and nearly as energy dense as Li-ion batteries - and as a bonus they are also not flammable.
You can even buy a Tesla Model 3 with LFP batteries if you wanted a Tesla for some reason, but you know given the topic of this thread, seems relevant to mention: Electric car and van data details

Also whilst this next bit isn't in response to your comment, I'm also going to mention here that cobalt is used in the refining process to turn oil into petrol/diesel so running fossil fueled cars also enables ongoing genocide in the congo... but as you say, walking would be better than either.

If it's a walkable distance, sure. But that's not always going to be the case.
 
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