littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
As I said above, it's really very hard to tell who is being serious and who is joking in this.
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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As I said above, it's really very hard to tell who is being serious and who is joking in this.
2hats
Dust.
That's correct. Which would be why I didn't use the term PRS.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Interesting. So you think that it would be impossible for the UK to extricate itself from the EU on good terms?
Sounds kind of like the EU holds member-states hostage but OK.
Ok, prs is expressedly targetted at the use cases you mentioned.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
How could the EU offer us a deal equal to the one that members get (never mind better) without undermining the quality of membership of other states?
We were aware of this 1vs 27 proposition very early on, there's no such beast as a good Brexit because it wasn't invented to improve us, it's not in its DNA to do that.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Nobody needs to "invent" the idea of the UK leaving the EU. It's supposed to be a voluntary association of nations, not an empire that uses economic force to maintain cohesion, yes?
2hats
Dust.
That could quite possibly be why I mentioned them.
grit
an ugly force for good
Why are you referencing the referendum split? I’m talking about the situation where Brexit needs to be negotiated. So what tactics or movements do you think would have secured a better outcome than the one the uk is currently facing?
danny la rouge said:
I'll swear it was in the 70s during a particularly dodgy bit of the Cold War when the BBC started putting Russian lessons on TV and a few people were asking whether they knew something we didn't know. Perhaps it's the same with repeats of Dad's Army they're softening us all up
I hope they repeat the Godfrey's cottage episode soon -- I've seen loads of them over the years, but never that one
And I had to Wiki-search what 'Godfrey's cottage' meant** because of that!
**That's pretty good use of Brexit thread time though, tbf
grit
an ugly force for good
I think it’s painfully naive to think the UK could unwind itself of membership from the EU without major upheaval. EU is not holding the UK hostage, you actively voted for this situation.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You're really not the sharpest tool in the box. I am referring to the referendum result because any political leader with any sense would have noted country divided and not have put out a load of red lines preventing any easy transition which protected jobs, confidence and stability. The red lines fucked the negotiations from the off when may wasn't busy fucking David davis
grit
an ugly force for good
So what should have been done differently, be specific, you were confident earlier in your assertion.
mauvais
on reddit or something
Marriage is supposed to be a voluntary association of two people but if your missus wants out I don't suppose you'd be falling over yourself to give her more than half the house, and yet it still wouldn't be economic force or hostage taking would it, just the blindingly fucking obvious result.
Other crass, uselessly anthropomorphic analogies are available.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Indeed I was and I refer you to my previous post
grit
an ugly force for good
Looks like May isint the only one who is delusional about brexit.
grit
an ugly force for good
I wish I could like this post more than once.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I wasn't making an analogy? At least I thought I wasn't.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
No indeed, she's a party full of deluded people
grit
an ugly force for good
Along with people like you shouting from the cheap seats.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I don't know what you're doing here in the cheap seats if you're not shouting
mauvais
on reddit or something
No, I was.
You are, however, assigning anthropomorphic qualities and value judgements on to something that effectively is a deterministic machine. Same input, same conditions, guess what? Same output. Nobody did anything differently because May was a bad negotiator or did a bad dance or because they like or don't like Britain. It was on rails from the start.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
You rattling your jewellery, then?
grit
an ugly force for good
I’m so far removed I can’t even get entry. I’m watching it at home on the tv.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
What if different input though? If someone had gone in from the start saying that Britain would keep to customs union and environmental and labour laws and Justice Court rulings the EU might have found it harder to refuse.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I didn't mention individuals or their qualities, so you're just way off the mark here.
mauvais
on reddit or something
Yes, of course. It no doubt leads to some other permissible outcome. But that happening or the possibility of it doesn't make the EU better or worse, friendlier or more hostile, or even particularly directed to a specific outcome.
grit
an ugly force for good
No. You can’t have your cake and eat it. You don’t get the customs union without everything else. Why is this so difficult to understand.
So uk emergency services should use the commercial Galileo services because we can’t use PRS any more ?
Alex
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Not many folk can claim to be 'far-removed' from the consequences of Brexit.
2hats
Dust.
That’s not a decision for me to make.
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