Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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The Fornicator
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Why don't you listen to this; 185 years ago Britian outlawed slavery in the empire. 70 years ago Germany was busy gassing 6 million civilians.
No one needs any fucking lessons from you on human rights, you stupid muppet.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Don't believe me, believe your own comparison of article 7 of the charter and article 8 of the convention
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Germany wasn't gassing anyone in 1948
Good to see in the midst of all this pedantry is alive and well.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
The point is that the Charter is the key to unlocking EU Human Rights Law, which will be adopted by the UK. Losing it leaves LGBT people open to abuse from any future UK government, and that's not acceptable to people who have been historically oppressed by the UK Government.
"It should be inconceivable that a democratic legislature would vote to take away rights, but leaving those arguments of principle to one side for a moment, with the loss of the Charter goes rights that don’t exist in the Human Rights Act or common law. Gone is the enforceable right to human dignity. We also say farewell to express rights to data protection, comprehensive protection for the rights of the child, refugee rights, the right to conscientious objection, academic freedom and wide-ranging fair trial rights to name but a few. And, I haven’t even started on economic and social rights." Oxford Human Rights Hub
In terms of right to family life, we will lose the express mention of LGBT people - which leaves the UK law open to interpretation.
We've seen elsewhere in the world where specific mention of LGBT people has been used to protect our rights, and also where no mention of LGBT people has allowed judges to interpret the protection in a way that doesn't cover LGBT people.
"Losing (the Charter) creates a human rights hole because the Charter provides some rights and judicial remedies that have no clear equivalents in UK law." - Equality Human Rights
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
75 years ago Britain presided over famine in India. 170 years ago Britain presided over the Irish famine. What's your point, that Britain's better than Germany?
Yougov have done one of their MRP models on no deal/may's deal/remain. The closeness of those numbers don't bode well for a remain result of any second referendum IMO (The MRP model has been very accurate in recent elections, and I'd say it's right here too).
May’s Brexit deal leads in just two constituencies as it suffers from being everyone’s second choice | YouGov
May’s Brexit deal leads in just two constituencies as it suffers from being everyone’s second choice | YouGov
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
OK.
Twenty-eight years ago it was illegal for me to have sex with a third person in the room, in private.
Twenty-four years ago, I was considered a sex criminal by the UK state, for having underage consensual sex with my male partner. He, aged 22, was considered a statutory rapist.
Twenty-two years ago, I was told by the Prime Minister that I had no right to assume a family life, and no inalienable right to be gay.
Twenty years ago I was still banned from joining the Armed Forces like my dad had done, and his dad before him.
Eighteen years ago I was banned from having a civil partnership, or adopting children.
Five years ago I was still banned from getting married.
The rights I have came to me during my lifetime, and I believe in the risk they could be taken away in my lifetime too.
I imagine none of this concerns you, and why should it, you reek of privilege.
But don't lecture me on human rights in the UK, when we had to riot and protest and march and organise to prise ours from the fingers of the powers that be.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
It may be all we have left.
Also, ideally you'd have a comma in there.
Well spotted. Pass.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
It may be all we have left.
Also, ideally you'd have a comma in there.
Ideally two.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Two, ideally.Ideally two.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Heh, I did wonder, to be honest. Figured it depended on style.Ideally two.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Aye, fair enough.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
BBC reporting that the 48 letters to Sir Graham point has been reached.
ska invita
back on the other side
And 74 years ago British troops were shooting Greek resistance fighters who helped beat the Nazis. Nothing like the Germans.
Why have I got 48 Crash by Suzi Quatro in my head!
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
CRI
Registered Chooser
Sometimes your pedantry becomes an art form in and of itself.
Don’t mention the pedantry, I did once, but I think I got away with it.
2hats
Dust.
The voice in my head is reciting it in the tarmac tones of J C-C.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
'Each new generation must win its rights anew'
To misquote Arthur Miller (or was it Ronald Reagan?)
It is easy to forget that and to take stuff for granted, but the likes of Trump and now Bolsonaro are a reminder of what can happen. I'm amazed, tbh, by how many people seem positively enthusiastic about the UK leaving the ECJ. Strikes me as supreme arrogance or foolishness or probably both to think that we will be better protected by a smaller jurisdiction. Many matters need to be devolved down as far as possible, but things like fundamental human rights need to be devolved as high as possible. And that should be celebrated when it happens - the whole of the EU, 27 countries, has adopted these legal rights. That's an achievement not to be carelessly tossed away.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
You know you can only go to the ECJ after you've been through the domestic court system right? Unless you're taking an EU institution to court?
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