Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[fishfinger]

How can your sister be Scottish and you not?

How does that work then?

At a guess, his sister was born in Scotland.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

How does that work then?

How can your sister be Scottish and you not?

Born in Glasgow.

 

[Pickman's model]

My sister is Scottish, has no one thought about siblings? No. Fucking scum.

what are you after, compo?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I may well have been conceived in Glasgow, as a god fearing Catholic surely life begins at the moment of conception?

 

[danny la rouge]

I like shortbread, will that be enough?

. Not on its own.

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[A380]

I may well have been conceived in Glasgow, as a god fearing Catholic surely life begins at the moment of conception?

Is your real name Gorbals?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is your real name Gorbals?

As long as it's not ibrox

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Is your real name Gorbals?

Milngavie

 

[MickiQ]

. Not on its own.

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Other than the first two rules which are obviously a special time limited case those are the same rules the UK operates

 

[danny la rouge]

Other than the first two rules which are obviously a special time limited case those are the same rules the UK operates

Wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Knowledge and appreciation of the following tune obvs mandatory:

 

[Pickman's model]

Milngavie

Paradise parkhead strasse

 

[gosub]

I may well have been conceived in Glasgow, as a god fearing Catholic surely life begins at the moment of conception?

Remember being done for littering dropped fag butt outside flat. Not been done before and was around time of indy ref. 2as a bit freaked out when they asked town of birth... Conception would have sent me off my nut

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

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[teuchter]

Hers's a thought.

So we crash out of the EU and then Scotland have an indy referendum which they win and then re-join the EU.

As we are all British passport holders, could I as an English person get a Scottish, and so EU passport?

What's the view?

That only works if Scotland becomes 'rump uk', ie. England & Wales and whatever other bits are left leave the UK.

I think it would be good for the Scotland to have a referendum on whether England&Wales get thrown out of the UK.

Then you can have your Euro-UK passport.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

That only works if Scotland becomes 'rump uk', ie. England & Wales and whatever other bits are left leave the UK.

I think it would be good for the Scotland to have a referendum on whether England&Wales get thrown out of the UK.

Then you can have your Euro-UK passport.

All this fuss over a passport

 

[pocketscience]

, I think I remember that the SNP were suggesting that anyone with one grandparent born in Scotland could claim citizenship.

Nah, I think your confusing that with their rule for eligible goalkeepers in the 70's.

 

[William of Walworth]

I'm neither Irish, Scottish or Welsh.

Can all this ultra-tedious Brexit/Remain bollocks just leave me alone soon please?

It's all so fucking boring

 

[Streathamite]

Bad luck William m, you have AT LEAST 6 more months of it - and that is remarkable optimism on my part.
Basically, this is such an unholy clusterfuck it will probably be the only issue in British politics for the next 2 years

 

[paolo]

tbf it was Cameron who fucked up by offering to hold a referendum due to pressure from the r/w of the tory party, then the whole thing was a meaningless shit show from start to finish.

''The people'' didn't fuck up; we engaged with the process we were given in the only way was could - voting. The people who fucked it up are the people who planned it and executed the fiasco happening around us to this day.

It's completely out of order for anyone to blame ''the people'' for any of this.

Probably the best summary I've read on here for ages.

 

[redsquirrel]

That's the poisonous nature of this particular debate. Politics is stripped away and one is branded either a remainer or an exiter. Like that is the important division here.

Never done any such thing. In fact I've specifically said that I consider the brexiteer/remainer nonsense liberal garbage at it worst.

I've said time and again that I can understand why some socialists voted remain and I consider them comrades. But there has been virtually no arguments on this thread backing remain from a socialist perspective, it's been a continually vomit forth of liberalism. The same liberalism that has done so much damage to people in the UK, in the EU and in the world at large. "Leftists" that are willing to push liberalism in order to stop the UK leaving the EU, that are willing to cosy up to Macron, Merkel, Cable, Soubrey aren't my comrades, they are part of the problem.

 

[brogdale]

Bad luck William m, you have AT LEAST 6 more months of it - and that is remarkable optimism on my part.
Basically, this is such an unholy clusterfuck it will probably be the only issue in British politics for the next 2 years

Very optimistic; I’d say that many Remainians appear still only at the third stage of grief (“anger & bargaining”), with at least one more temporal stage until they fully alight on the “upward turn” of the fully fledged process of campaigning for Brejoin!
Reckon the political recriminations will see many of us out tbh...looks like William is going to find matters political ultra-tedious for some considerable time to come

 

[Wolveryeti]

But there has been virtually no arguments on this thread backing remain from a socialist perspective, it's

And I have seen no good arguments from so-called socialists on this thread why proceeding with something which will result in higher prices, less money for the welfare state, and pressure for convergence in workplace and environmental standards towards those of the developing world, helps the working class.

 

[redsquirrel]

Then you've not being looking very hard. People have made such arguments - for example that leaving the EU provides greater opportunity for nationalisation of industries (you might disagree with that argument but it's been made).

Though why an anti-union fuckwit like you would be interested in socialist arguments I'm not sure.

 

[butchersapron]

Then you've not being looking very hard. People have made such arguments - for example that leaving the EU provides greater opportunity for nationalisation of industries (you might disagree with that argument but it's been made).

Though why an anti-union fuckwit like you would be interested in socialist arguments I'm not sure.

It's always the higher prices that these private school types seem to think is the killer point isn't it. That's pretty telling.

 

[Mr Moose]

Nationalisation is not prohibited in the EU. Even Macron nationalised a shipyard last year.

There is particular legislation about railways, but it does not prevent the state running the railways. The railways have to be open to the bids of private companies. As they are all shit at it, they could be ignored. A Tory Govt could tear that up, but then they could tear up a nationalisation.

Nationalisations are hardly a key objective if all else remains the same, i.e. shares are respected. To nationalise profit making areas means making Lord Fat Cunt and all the other investors very rich. Better to regulate the living daylights out of their profits and use those to nationalise ‘failing’ areas and offer lower prices.

Set beside risking an extension to austerity due to recession due to leaving in a hurry is a gamble.

 

[butchersapron]

Every thing has to be open to market competition within a set of legal conditions that favours markets. Nationalisation and operating as a non profit merit good is dead in the EU.

 

[butchersapron]

Nationalisation is not prohibited in the EU. Even Macron nationalised a shipyard last year.

There is particular legislation about railways, but it does not prevent the state running the railways. The railways have to be open to the bids of private companies. As they are all shit at it, they could be ignored. A Tory Govt could tear that up, but then they could tear up a nationalisation.

Nationalisations are hardly a key objective if all else remains the same, i.e. shares are respected. To nationalise profit making areas means making Lord Fat Cunt and all the other investors very rich. Better to regulate the living daylights out of their profits and use those to nationalise ‘failing’ areas and offer lower prices.

Set beside risking an extension to austerity due to recession due to leaving in a hurry is a gamble.

This of course, was Tony Blair's vision of how the future would work. Thanks.

 

[Mr Moose]

This of course, was Tony Blair's vision of how the future would work. Thanks.

Sure. I could simply say your vision was similar to so and so discredited person. It’s a good game of ping pong, but not a discussion.

 

[Chz]

Exactly. No-one can realistically argue that SNCF isn't state run. You have to jump through a hoop or two to nationalise your railway, but it isn't difficult.

You have a state owned "private" company, and then rig the bidding process such that only that company can realistically meet the contract requirements.

Though as someone pointed out yesterday, the state run railways were shit, and the private railways are shit. So maybe the problem isn't the railways. It's us.