Is anyone worried about the future of Britain's culture?

[Artaxerxes]

Britain has a thriving kombucha and macrobiotic industry so I think it has plenty of culture

 

[PR1Berske]

Decentish railway system? Ours is pitiful compared to any in East Asia or mainland Europe.

I paid the same in China to cross more than double the side of the UK on highspeed rail as I did from Norfolk to the Northeast last month. And that's fully refundable or changeable. Not to mention our train prices double if you purchase on the day. China & Korea it is the same price no matter what.

Everything about Britain's railways have been destroyed by those "in power" for generations: funding denied, investment scrapped, ambition diluted, profits moved overseas. There is no incentive for TOCs to put an ounce of effort into the very network they use.

So yes, our network is in dire need of investment. I would like to agree with you. Sadly this point has to be considered in the wider context of you waffling about "white culture" and I'm not entirely comfortable with agreeing with you on anything as a result.

 

[ohmyliver]

Proper British stuff. Like Mau Mau and the Amritsar massacre.

don't forget nursery rhymes about wages being so low that you'd have to pawn your coat so you could go out dancing and drinking down The Eagle, and having to live on cheap rice with a bit of treacle afterwards.

or poverty stricken areas in cities where 57% percent of women would die either in childbirth, or within 2 years of childbirth.

 

[ohmyliver]

British culture ,do you mean like Morris Dancing

bunch of daft twats dancing round a may pole

Nah fuck em

Morris Dancing had its origins in Moorish sword dances, ironically.

 

[Saul Goodman]

British culture ,do you mean like Morris Dancing

I think he means overwhelmingly white.

 

[ohmyliver]

To what extent do you think that neoliberalism has washed away pre-existing cultures and replaced them with dead eyed consumerism and anomic displays of consumption? How has the monetisation and recuperation of working class culture contributed to affairs? To what extent are all cultures in late capitalist economies being erased, scrubbed and compelled to worship the market? Finally, the English culture you describe is unrecognisable to the one I grew up in. To what extent do you believe it existed and where and when? Is it/was it ever the dominant culture? How do you think culture is formed and maintained?

This is the question that should be asked to all people asking similar questions to the OP.

 

[PR1Berske]

British culture is fine. The flag hasn't changed, if anything it's more visible than ever. The queen's now a king but we still have jingoism and casual racism, the weather's still shit whatever it's doing, roast dinners and FEBs are still death on a plate, we still kneel to inbreds, drink too much and punish people too harshly for too many things. We still take the piss out of everyone who looks, talks or dresses weird, still argue about just about everything, each expect our own way all the time, still eat too much sugar, still know fuck all about our own history, still got plenty of deeply embedded social hierarchies to hate.

I'd leave again ASAP

I sometimes wonder if there are elements of Britain lost to a younger generation brought up on the Internet rather than the Two Ronnies, and only a few hours of research is needed to find that there are still the same eccentricities, the same funniness with food, the same unwillingness to learn foreign languages (whilst being so impressive with crafting a youth dialogue of their own), the same cynicism about politicians, and it's brilliant to see.

 

[editor]

Here's an excellent book for OliveGreen to read which questions the consistent use of a fear of moral decline by comparing it against a 20 year recurrence and the perpetual notion of a past 'golden age'.

It illuminates discussions of crime, youth justice and perception, demonstrating that fear of young people has a long history; that ‘do-gooders’ are often blamed for being ‘soft’ and for creating the conditions in which crime flourishes; that political and media interest in bad behaviour takes on a life of its own; and that there is a link between the economic and social confidence of a country and the prevalence of moral panics. It also teaches us to be alert to false memories of a golden era, always about twenty years earlier, when young people knew their place, when society was safe and respectable people could walk the streets.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hooligan-history-respectable-Geoffrey-Pearson/dp/0333234006

 

[Pickman's model]

Is that really all you think Britain is about? Every culture has had dark or violent moments, but we also have a lovely and quaint culture that is almost extinct.

Next time you're tempted to start posting on a new website recall that it is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than pipe up and prove yourself one. And a racist fuckwit fool at that.

 

[BigMoaner]

Culture will just be tic tok dances and memes from now on anyway. Culture boring when there’s so much good content out there.

 

[PR1Berske]

Culture will just be tic tok dances and memes from now on anyway

Given the success of "FENTON! JESUS CHRIST!" from years ago, and "CHANEL!!" the other year, I think British culture through memes is pretty damn strong.

 

[BigMoaner]

Given the success of "FENTON! JESUS CHRIST!" from years ago, and "CHANEL!!" the other year, I think British culture through memes is pretty damn strong.

Ah yes that was very British feeling. It was the “oooh Jesus Christ” that got me. Sounded like my dad when we’ve drawn Walsall in the cup. Want West Ham, get Walsall.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

British Culture

 

[Cloo]

Culture changes, that is the nature of the thing. England was ruled over by people who spoke French (who were descendents of Vikings) for hundreds of years, I bet some of them got ansty about the end of Norman culture.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

British Culture

 

[tim]

No, I’m not sure what you’re getting at. What about British Gentlemen, afternoon tea, and Oxford-Cambridge? What do you mean?

Just tell Olive to fuck off.

 

[geminisnake]

Britain doesn't have a culture, Welsh culture is different to Scottish culture, English culture and Norn Irn culture, please swap various countries round, I can't be bothered typing it all out So no, not in the slightest bothered. Oh wait a minute! Trick or treat instead of guising, that's the only one I care about

 

[Fozzie Bear]

 

[Agrippa57]

What "culture" that we ever had here was exclusively British? I'm pretty sure, btw, that the EDL has fora you might be more comfortable in. You might even receive applause for your dubious views in such a place.

 

[CNT36]

You're welcome to say that, but I don't think it resolves anything.

Race and culture are heavily intertwined. I dare say they're practically indistinguishable. Look at Britain: if you go to predominately Indian areas the food, the decorations, the clothing, the music, the dances, the celebrations. These are all in the Indian style. Same for Chinese areas, Pakistani areas, Balkan areas, etc etc.

It just feels like the "British areas" are getting smaller and smaller here. And are there "British areas" in other countries? I've never seen any.

If you love it so much why did you fuck off in the first place?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Also cheeky fucker being called olive green.
We don't have olives in the UK.
Filthy foreign muck loved by those swarthy Mediterranean types.

 

[xenon]

This is the first time I’ve ever said this phrase but yeah fuck it Boomer shite.

 

[xenon]

Afternoon tea, Oxbridge, WTF. That’s not the culture I grew up in. And I’m not exactly Young.

 

[xenon]

I mean seriously Oxbridge chaps afternoon tea. If that’s what Britain British culture means to you. We are on different pages. That’s some retro sitcom trope.

 

[xenon]

Oh I see too many brown people in the UK is it. Fuck off.

 

[LeytonCatLady]

Afternoon tea, Oxbridge, WTF. That’s not the culture I grew up in. And I’m not exactly Young.

Yeah, me neither. Do I detect a hint of classism in Olive's post as well as xenophobia?

 

[BigMoaner]

Yeah, me neither. Do I detect a hint of classism in Olive's post as well as xenophobia?

I’m sure he’s got that as a Bonus Pack, yes. He’ll feel most at home at a hunt with ruddy faced white people in wellies.

 

[spring-peeper]

This morning, my first fb entry was a picture of London taxis lined up to take the veterans to the ceremonies, and I thought to myself that it was a lovely custom.

OliveGreen, I left the UK over 50 years ago. I came back to visit 30 years ago, and it seemed that nothing had really changed.

I really can't seem to relate to your observations.

 

[BigMoaner]

This morning, my first fb entry was a picture of London taxis lined up to take the veterans to the ceremonies, and I thought to myself that it was a lovely custom.

OliveGreen, I left the UK over 50 years ago. I came back to visit 30 years ago, and it seemed that nothing had really changed.

I really can't seem to relate to your observations.

Yeh I can find anything pretty much I grew up with in terms of “culture”. I can’t say any of those things have “declined” either. It’s just the same old blighty rolling on from one disaster to the next. Same old tribes. Same old violence. Same old beautiful countryside, same old sad deprivation. Same old ruddy faced toffs sending their kids to prep schools etc. same old lunatic obsession with football.

Wish the prices were the same though.

 

[Humberto]

It's an elision of some personal incoherent nostalgia or lament for happier times (youth usually) with the fact that ethnicity is changing i.e. numbers of non-white people, who are still in a big minority, are making up more of the UK population. That's not remotely all down to recent immigration either, certainly not in a span of 4 years.