OliveGreen
New Member
Is that really all you think Britain is about? Every culture has had dark or violent moments, but we also have a lovely and quaint culture that is almost extinct.
Is anyone worried about the future of Britain's culture?
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
You should move to Clacton, you'll fit in well there.
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
No it isn't, don't be silly.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
By British you really mean white right? the government disagrees about whites being a minority by the way.
Population of England and Wales
According to the 2021 Census, 81.7% of the population of England and Wales was white, 9.3% Asian, 4.0% black, 2.9% mixed and 2.1% from other ethnic groups.
81% definitely a majority as far as I know (damn useful this Math's O Level has been)
Also define white? English? Welsh? Scot? Polish? Scandinavian? how about mixed race? what sort of genetic percentage has to be European Caucasian to be classed as white? My wife has a Scouse Dad and a Filipina Mother, is she white or a fuzzy wuzzy (she'd cut my balls off if said that to her) My children are one quarter Asian and three quarters white though they look much more like their mother than me are they white enough for you?
What about my grandkids, they take after my daughters (their mothers) but they've only got one eighth Asian in them, hell my granddaughter is half Paddy to boot are they white enough for you?
Humans are a single species and we have far less variations than many others, look how different dogs are to each other.
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RevolutionSound
Well-Known Member
"white culture"? fuck off
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
People in China do 'Chinese stuff' apparently.
Do you ever get one of those revelations that are so profound, so earth-shattering that you're overcome by a sense of nausea, almost like motion sickness, as you feel everything you once thought you knew slipping away under your feet as a new, hitherto unimagined reality looms into view before you, overshadowing all else?
Because that's how I feel about this news that Chinese people do 'Chinese stuff'.
Do you ever get one of those revelations that are so profound, so earth-shattering that you're overcome by a sense of nausea, almost like motion sickness, as you feel everything you once thought you knew slipping away under your feet as a new, hitherto unimagined reality looms into view before you, overshadowing all else?
Because that's how I feel about this news that Chinese people do 'Chinese stuff'.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
To what extent do you think that neoliberalism has washed away pre-existing cultures and replaced them with dead eyed consumerism and anomic displays of consumption? How has the monetisation and recuperation of working class culture contributed to affairs? To what extent are all cultures in late capitalist economies being erased, scrubbed and compelled to worship the market? Finally, the English culture you describe is unrecognisable to the one I grew up in. To what extent do you believe it existed and where and when? Is it/was it ever the dominant culture? How do you think culture is formed and maintained?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Military type in 'arsehole' shocker etc.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
By British you really mean white right? the government disagrees about whites being a minority by the way.
Population of England and Wales
According to the 2021 Census, 81.7% of the population of England and Wales was white, 9.3% Asian, 4.0% black, 2.9% mixed and 2.1% from other ethnic groups.www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk
81% definitely a majority as far as I know (damn useful this Math's O Level has been)
Also define white? English? Welsh? Scot? Polish? Scandinavian? how about mixed race? what sort of genetic percentage has to be European Caucasian to be classed as white? My wife has a Scouse Dad and a Filipina Mother, is she white or a fuzzy wuzzy (she cut my balls off if said that to her) My children are one quarter Asian and three quarters white though they look much more like their mother than me are they white enough for you?
What about my grandkids, they take after my daughters (their mothers) but they've only got one eighth Asian in them, hell my granddaughter is half Paddy to boot are they white enough for you?
Humans are a single species and we have far less variations than many others, look how different dogs are to each other.Careful, now
Careful now, facts tend to confuse racists.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I remember when this was all thatched roofs, turnips and ducking stools.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
OliveGreen
New Member
Not sure these kinds of comments are constructive, but I guess I'm getting my answer. If this forum is an accurate sample for the nation, then maybe everyone is just fine with it.
maomao
普費斯
Name a meaningful 'value' that a Chinese or Korean person has that stretches back even one thousand years. A thousand years of language evolution is enough to produce complete mutual unintelligibility. It just looks Chinese and Korean to you because you're a foreigner, in fact East Asia has had a century or so of rapid cultural change same as the rest of us.
OliveGreen
New Member
I used to just instinctively snap and call 'racist' on people who ever brought this kind of stuff up too before, but idk. Ever since I went away and came back again, I guess I just feel like a foreigner here as much as I did abroad, really. Maybe I just built up an idealised idea of Britain whilst I was away.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
British culture is fine. The flag hasn't changed, if anything it's more visible than ever. The queen's now a king but we still have jingoism and casual racism, the weather's still shit whatever it's doing, roast dinners and FEBs are still death on a plate, we still kneel to inbreds, drink too much and punish people too harshly for too many things. We still take the piss out of everyone who looks, talks or dresses weird, still argue about just about everything, each expect our own way all the time, still eat too much sugar, still know fuck all about our own history, still got plenty of deeply embedded social hierarchies to hate.
I'd leave again ASAP
I'd leave again ASAP
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
Sounds like it. I can only advise you to find somewhere where you feel more comfortable. Bye.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
...but then you turned 40 and now here we are.
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
We've still got a NHS, a welfare state, a decentish railway network, proper pubs and nice British food. Those are the things I'd miss about the UK if I left and some of the reasons I wouldn't. I don't know what part of our culture you think we're losing.
OliveGreen
New Member
Perhaps that's it. I'm in the North, so I'm sure the economic aspect is partly responsible for my dreary outlook. It does feel like there's less 'character' here than in places like Korea, Japan or China. Perhaps it's as much about bending everything to corporations and ignoring how people feel as it is about immigration affecting our culture. Idk, just seems depressing to be back here but I didn't wanna spend my whole life abroad.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
Oh, OK. Did she go round with a clipboard asking everybody in those areas if they are in fact British? Or is she in fact making an ass out of u and mption?
OliveGreen
New Member
Decentish railway system? Ours is pitiful compared to any in East Asia or mainland Europe.
I paid the same in China to cross more than double the side of the UK on highspeed rail as I did from Norfolk to the Northeast last month. And that's fully refundable or changeable. Not to mention our train prices double if you purchase on the day. China & Korea it is the same price no matter what.
neonwilderness
What would Badgers do?
3-4 years ago?
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It's depressing for us that you came back, TBH.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Oh yeah, K-Pop was first written about 1,500 years ago, on an early version of a laptop computer.
And fish and chips was invented by Alfred the Great.
Look, my late father was born in 1920 and he certainly saw Black people in this country as a child.
I think it absolutely disgusting to say that someone who fails some kind of skin shade test fails some kind of "Britishness" test. I am sure that you have heard people on the radio whom you imagine to be as pale as you who in fact have dark skins.
It is amazing that someone who has lived abroad can be so stupid as to believe that culture and skin colour are connected.
Many of the states that exist in the world are actually the creation of European imperialism. There was no "Malaysia" or "Indonesia" or "Nigeria" 200 years ago.
British culture has shaped much of the world. This is why the English language is spoken on such a large scale.
I think that the "English [note: not Welsh of Scottish] gentleman" was an affectation of people from a certain social background, that has declined, along with blind deference to people supposedly of “superior background”, as a more democratic attitude has become more widespread in our society.
The “English gentleman” died about the same time that “debutantes” ceased to be “presented” to the Monarch, which was before you were born.
And fish and chips was invented by Alfred the Great.
Look, my late father was born in 1920 and he certainly saw Black people in this country as a child.
I think it absolutely disgusting to say that someone who fails some kind of skin shade test fails some kind of "Britishness" test. I am sure that you have heard people on the radio whom you imagine to be as pale as you who in fact have dark skins.
It is amazing that someone who has lived abroad can be so stupid as to believe that culture and skin colour are connected.
Many of the states that exist in the world are actually the creation of European imperialism. There was no "Malaysia" or "Indonesia" or "Nigeria" 200 years ago.
British culture has shaped much of the world. This is why the English language is spoken on such a large scale.
I think that the "English [note: not Welsh of Scottish] gentleman" was an affectation of people from a certain social background, that has declined, along with blind deference to people supposedly of “superior background”, as a more democratic attitude has become more widespread in our society.
The “English gentleman” died about the same time that “debutantes” ceased to be “presented” to the Monarch, which was before you were born.
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