Irish equal marriage referendum
- Thread starter Nigel Irritable
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Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Well yeah, exactly.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
NO: Gay marriage is wrong! We need to keep our traditions!
YES: Sorry, you're talking rubbish. Actually, gay marriage has been part of a lot of cultures for a long long time.
NO: Well it's not good for children. Every child should have a mother and father to grow up normally, not two fathers.
YES: This is nonsense. Lots of research has shown that children raised by same sex couples aren't affected in the way you are suggesting. Perhaps you should do some research before making these kinds of comments.
NO: STOP BULLYING ME AND TRYING TO SILENCE ME.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Like many other referendums, the arguments are rarely about what the question is about...But gay people can adopt children already. The question has nothing to do with adoption
Chick Webb
Countryfile and a can
Yes, that is slightly worrying from a yes supporter point of view, since all the parties are supporting a yes vote, no could be seen as the "fuck you, politicians" option.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
While we're waiting, here's the Dubliners:
Re: voting "no" as a protest against the government. That was definitely part of the story in the defeat of the 1986 divorce referendum, but that one was also clearly identified as a pet project of Garret F., and I don't think there's that sort of identification of the present vote with the present coalition. Chick Webb
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
I did need to double check that for sec. But yes it is a spoof account of the militant catholic rightwing think tank the Iona Institute.
Picture taken on the 9:30 train to Hollyhead this morning.
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8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
How would labour exploit this to get a bounce? Every party is campaigning for a yes vote. The number of TD who have announced that they are voting no is about five. Christ evening Lucinda who voted against the change to abortion law is voting yes.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
UNLEASH THE CREIGHTON
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
shudder. I'd prefer the kracken.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
It's a government initiative and Labour desperately need to be able to point to at least one "achievement" to sell to their socially liberal base. They've already shat on their traditional working class vote and they've pissed off the socially liberal of all classes by voting against abortion rights over and over again. They see this as their version of the Greens subsidised bicycles scheme.
But yes, the unanimity of the political parties from the traditional conservative parties to the far left means that it's very hard for anyone to gain particular benefit from it.
T & P
|-o-| (-o-) |-o-|
That one's brilliant
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Will even Labour's middle class voters return to them? I met some middle-class people in the run-up to the last election who were unemployed for the first times in their lives, absolutely besides themselves with rage, and intent on voting labour.
I would presume that these people would have been as disappointed by Labour as 2010 Lib Dem voters were in the UK. And I can't see them returning to the fold the next time.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Because the like the Greens before them, Labours' token victories will not mitigate the number of failures they've made while in govt. They'll be killed because rolling back on child benefit, third level fees, cuts to disability and social care, and the water charges.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
If they can sell a "recovery" narrative some of the really deeply stupid ones will. But overall, no. Labour are deservedly fucked.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Even if people are conned into thinking there's a recovery, why would they give Labour any credit for it? Use your head, man.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Do we have any notion as to when we might know the result?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
As i said "some of the really deeply stupid" existing middle class Labour voters. Not anyone capable of using their heads, and not enough to save the pricks.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Don't be giving yourself notions now.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Official results will start coming in at about 11 tomorrow morning, with a total result by early afternoon. Tallymen will unofficially know who has won from about half an hour after the first boxes are opened much earlier tomorrow. Unless it's very, very close.
Limerick Red
Мы вас похороним!
From Éirigí:
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I don't think there is one, which is annoying both because we won't know the result early and because a large exit poll would give useful demographic breakdowns.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
They all got aboard the celtic tiger. Telecom eiren struggles under the weight of their social media presence.
gosub
~#
Struggles to provide broadband in Kerry, unless you speak gaelic
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
A friend reminded me that the Divorce referendum was passed by a mere 9,000 votes. Which works out as about 1 vote per ballot box.
As to the result. Alot of people have forgotten that there's two referendums happening today. There's a 2nd referendum on lowering the required minimum to become President. As it stands currently you have to 35 to run for the office. If it passes this will be reduced to 18.
This is the 1st vote on the ballot, and will be counted 1st. We should get a good idea as to how the Gay Marriage referendum is going by about 12 or 1 tomorrow. With the final count coming in later in the afternoon.
All digits crossed for a yes!
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