Irish equal marriage referendum

[LiamO]

I hope casually red's having a good old sob into his Guinness about how the sanctity of marriage has been extended to the bloody woofters... While simultaneously crying out to all and sundry how he's a good old socialist really.

1. Casually Red does not drink Guinness. Never has. He drinks poncy, foreign lagers... and is quite the coffee connoisseur too. (e2a I see he has replied himself on the Guinness question).

2. Irish = Guinness drinker? Really? Begorrah and bejabers, top of the morning to ya.

3. I think you might find that millions of people (the world over) who regard themselves as socialists nonetheless are less than 'right-on' on gay issues. The old Soviet bloc, Cuba and latin America spring to mind.

The referendum was won, IMO, because the YES campaign specifically and deliberately kept away from name calling and cunting people off. But then I suppose they were concerned with actually winning people over rather than cunting them off/pissing them off... and feeling superior.

 

[Casually Red]

1. Casually Red does not drink Guinness. Never has. He drinks poncy, foreign lagers... and is quite the coffee connoisseur too. (e2a I see he has replied himself on the Guinness question).

2. Irish = Guinness drinker? Really? Begorrah and bejabers, top of the morning to ya.

3. I think you might find that millions of people (the world over) who regard themselves as socialists nonetheless are less than 'right-on' on gay issues. The old Soviet bloc, Cuba and latin America spring to mind.

The referendum was won, IMO, because the YES campaign specifically and deliberately kept away from name calling and cunting people off. But then I suppose they were concerned with actually winning people over rather than cunting them off/pissing them off... and feeling superior.

Which you tend not to do . And which I certainly don't .

 

[Casually Red]

1. Casually Red
3. I think you might find that millions of people (the world over) who regard themselves as socialists nonetheless are less than 'right-on' on gay issues. The old Soviet bloc, Cuba and latin America spring to mind.
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Conversely all sorts of capitalist billionaires,not least Branson and a load of those fuckers in the states, are the other way round . So it's most certainly not a socialist thing . They can fuck off with calling my credentials into question .

And I could have accepted that invitation and gone to Dublin had it been my wont . I'd have been very welcome .

 

[danny la rouge]

I was ...genuinely..invited to a party in dublin to celebrate the result if you must know . In the company of a few yes voters and gay people I was socialising with just last week .

And what's this bullshit about atheism ? Just because I admitted I'm a catholic you start abusing me with that stereotypical shit ?

It comes from my previous post about me not expecting churches to perform atheist weddings but that atheists marriages should nevertheless be considered equal. It was a serious point, not abuse.

 

[Limerick Red]

1. Casually Red

3. I think you might find that millions of people (the world over) who regard themselves as socialists nonetheless are less than 'right-on' on gay issues. The old Soviet bloc, Cuba and latin America spring to mind.

While cuba certainly did have a not so progressive position on homosexuality, this has being recognised by the party as an incorrect position, and led by the work of CENESEX ,their sex education committee, Cuba now has one of the most progressive positions on lgbt rights
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Cuba-Leading-the-Way-in-Rainbow-Rights-20150515-0013.html

 

[sleaterkinney]

I was ...genuinely..invited to a party in dublin to celebrate the result if you must know . In the company of a few yes voters and gay people I was socialising with just last week .

Some of my best friends are yes voters.

 

[SpineyNorman]

The first part of your post is too stupid to engage with. The second simply raises the question of how exactly you believe allowing lgbt people to marry will negatively effect the rest of us who "have to live under these laws"?

And you conspicuously didn't answer my question. Here it is again: Are you against equal marriage and on what grounds?

Maybe he's working with the same logic as my grandad? 'Before I was born they used to kill you for homosexuality, later they sent you to prison. Then they made it legal for over 21s. Then they lowered it to 18. Then they lowered it to 16. Fucking glad I'll be dead before they make it compulsory'. (He was long dead by the time gay marriage was brought in otherwise his position would be even more watertight lol

 

[Roadkill]

Ireland's a neo liberal capitalist country that just passed more neo liberal legislation .

I still want to know what tf is neo-liberal about equal marriage.

 

[danny la rouge]

I still want to know what tf is neo-liberal about equal marriage.

I think Casually Red is conflating the individualism and play-off between individual freedoms and civil rights adopted by the neoliberal project during its rise - when it was constructing consent for its world-view - with neoliberalism per se. Neoliberals may support certain individual freedoms, but that does not make the support of the issues neoliberal.

 

[Roadkill]

I think Casually Red is conflating the individualism and play-off between individual freedoms and civil rights adopted by the neoliberal project during its rise - when it was constructing consent for its world-view - with neoliberalism per se. Neoliberals may support certain individual freedoms, but that does not make the support of the issues neoliberal.

That would be one interpretation. Another would be that he's simply throwing every brickbat he can think of at something he dislikes on a visceral level.

 

[danny la rouge]

That would be one interpretation. Another would be that he's simply throwing every brickbat he can think of at something he dislikes on a visceral level.

That's another interpretation.

This, for example, was pretty hysterical in both meanings of the word: "Just because I admitted I'm a catholic you start abusing me with that stereotypical shit".

 

[danny la rouge]

Stereotypical shit.

And, for the record, Casually Red, I was raised a Catholic and I am still assumed by others to be a Catholic because of my surname. Otherwise seemingly rational people who reply to my responses that I have no religion that "but you're a Catholic really". As if Catholicism is some essential genetic trait among the "ethnic Irish" in Scotland. Devoid of the actual faith, there's yet some sort of Catholicness that still applies.

 

[LiamO]

You can run... but you can never truly escape...


... and even if you could you still have that pesky Taig-y name which will make you forever Cafflick.

 

[LiamO]

While cuba certainly did have a not so progressive position on homosexuality, this has being recognised by the party as an incorrect position, and led by the work of CENESEX ,their sex education committee, Cuba now has one of the most progressive positions on lgbt rights
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Cuba-Leading-the-Way-in-Rainbow-Rights-20150515-0013.html

I'll maybe put the cap round to send CR to Cuba for re-education then

 

[sleaterkinney]

I still want to know what tf is neo-liberal about equal marriage.

Neo-liberal is just a catch all term for something that's not under the boot of the state or church.

 

[Limerick Red]

I'll maybe put the cap round to send CR to Cuba for re-education then

Quality coffee as well! I'm sure he'd be happy out!

 

[gosub]

Quality coffee as well! I'm sure he'd be happy out!

As long as don't have an Americano

 

[Casually Red]

While cuba certainly did have a not so progressive position on homosexuality, this has being recognised by the party as an incorrect position, and led by the work of CENESEX ,their sex education committee, Cuba now has one of the most progressive positions on lgbt rights
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Cuba-Leading-the-Way-in-Rainbow-Rights-20150515-0013.html

And no gay marriage .

And rauls going back to church .

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Congrats to enyone who worked for this vote or wished for this vote.

 

[gosub]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...ly-dismayed-by-irish-referendum-2015052698563

 

[stavros]

Pope's deputy states that the result is a "defeat for humanity", as he heads out to the woods in a hurry.

 

[Gingerman]

Pope's deputy states that the result is a "defeat for humanity", as he heads out to the woods in a hurry.

And the Inquisition, witch hunts, Crusades, helping Nazi war crims escape after WW2,covering up child abuse etc weren't?

 

[shifting gears]

Isn't it simple?

Anyone who opposes gay marriage for ANY reason at all is misguided, wrong, or just plain bigoted.

No one, CR massively included, has thrown down a case that has any validity whatsoever. Grow up, get with the times, and reconcile yourself that people who fall in love, regardless of their sexuality, deserve the same rights of union that anyone else does.

No fucking brainier.

 

[8den]

So glad we didn't bow to pressure to get my son baptised.

 

[Limerick Red]

Isn't it simple?

Anyone who opposes gay marriage for ANY reason at all is misguided, wrong, or just plain bigoted.

No one, CR massively included, has thrown down a case that has any validity whatsoever. Grow up, get with the times, and reconcile yourself that people who fall in love, regardless of their sexuality, deserve the same rights of union that anyone else does.

No fucking brainier.

That's not how it works pal, you don't get to pronounce what peoples rights are and then tell anyone who disagrees to get over it, would be fuckin great if it was that simple. The majority of people need to be won to the cause, Just labelling people bigots without being willing to engage them or there concerns (regardless of how preposterous they seem to you) does zero to progress "rights".

 

[shifting gears]

Yeah and in this case, the majority of people were won to the cause. That's victory.

And I stand by my main thrust - the advancement and legitimisation of same sex couples to enjoy the same rights as heterosexual couples trumps any outmoded religious or cultural beliefs, without caveats.

 

[LiamO]

The majority of people need to be won to the cause, Just labelling people bigots without being willing to engage them or there concerns (regardless of how preposterous they seem to you) does zero to progress "rights".

The classic Leftie disease writ large. Well said.

... Just labelling people bigots without being willing to engage them or there concerns (regardless of how preposterous they seem to you) does zero to progress "rights".

But it does afford so many tasty, tempting, tantalising opportunities to feel smug and superior... which surely 'trumps' every other consideration, no?

 

[bi0boy]

That's not how it works pal, you don't get to pronounce what peoples rights are and then tell anyone who disagrees to get over it, would be fuckin great if it was that simple. The majority of people need to be won to the cause, Just labelling people bigots without being willing to engage them or there concerns (regardless of how preposterous they seem to you) does zero to progress "rights".

The majority of people are already won to this cause. The stubborn remnants won't be won over by argumentation. Thankfully they are now largely irrelevant. Labelling them as bigots is the right thing to do because that's what they are.

 

[Casually Red]

Stereotypical shit.

And, for the record, Casually Red, I was raised a Catholic and I am still assumed by others to be a Catholic because of my surname. Otherwise seemingly rational people who reply to my responses that I have no religion that "but you're a Catholic really". As if Catholicism is some essential genetic trait among the "ethnic Irish" in Scotland. Devoid of the actual faith, there's yet some sort of Catholicness that still applies.

What do you want ? A fucking tufty club badge or something ? One mention of the words like a fucking dog whistle for every cliche under the sun .

 

[Casually Red]

Isn't it simple?

Anyone who opposes gay marriage for ANY reason at all is misguided, wrong, or just plain bigoted.

No one, CR massively included, has thrown down a case that has any validity whatsoever. Grow up, get with the times, and reconcile yourself that people who fall in love, regardless of their sexuality, deserve the same rights of union that anyone else does.

No fucking brainier.

Piss off