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Irish equal marriage referendum

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Diarmuid Martin, the archbishop of Dublin, said the church “needed a reality check” after the outcome. “I ask myself, most of these young people who voted yes are products of our Catholic school system for 12 years. I’m saying there’s a big challenge there to see how we get across the message of the church,” Martin said after Saturday’s result.
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C'mere Diarmuid, we've been trying to wrestle control of our schools from your clutches for decades now.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...iage-northern-ireland-pressure-referendum-win
 
brogdale said:
I thought we were talking about NI ?
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I didn't realise that the discussion was limited to NI. SF did call for the legalisation of same sex marriage in NI, but it was voted down 49-47. Even if they could get the votes the DUP can veto it, using special parliamentary powers. It's going to be a really long struggle to get same sex marriage recognised in the whole of the 32 counties.


Meanwhile the next move to see if we can translate this kind of grassroots popular appeal into a campaign to repeal the 8th and allow proper reproductive rights to women in the republic.
 
8den said:
I didn't realise that the discussion was limited to NI. SF did call for the legalisation of same sex marriage in NI, but it was voted down 49-47. Even if they could get the votes the DUP can veto it, using special parliamentary powers. It's going to be a really long struggle to get same sex marriage recognised in the whole of the 32 counties.


Meanwhile the next move to see if we can translate this kind of grassroots popular appeal into a campaign to repeal the 8th and allow proper reproductive rights to women in the republic.
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Try reading what I've posted.:rolleyes:

Yes, I knew all that...because it was me that posted the link to the report of the NI assembly vote.

Though the thread is about the RoI vote, I'd moved on to consider the anomalous position of the 6 counties.
 
Sparsely populated places like Roscommon suffer from massive emigration so that contributes to the skewing of demographics.

http://www.roscommonherald.ie/2012/09/11/emigration-the-reality-for-rural-ireland/

THIS WEEK we reveal that 105 male GAA players (the equivalent of seven teams) have emigrated from County Roscommon in the last 12 months.

As the economic crisis, which began in 2008, continues to bite, the impact is being felt among GAA clubs throughout the county.

The emigration trail is not just hitting the GAA clubs, but every facet of rural life and it is not just young men who are emigrating in their hundreds. Hundreds of young women have also left this county in search of a job and a better way of life.
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Casually Red said:
And I'm also a catholic, not a very good one, but one nonetheless ,
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Really scraping the barrel here, aren't we?

1. When did you last see the inside of a chapel except for weddings and funerals? The vast majority of people who voted YES are also Catholics - many of them practising ones.

2. Because you are a catholic????? And yet you are completely comfortable ignoring the churches teaching on, say, contraception

3. Just to guage your level of consistency, can you show me where you have denounced armed republican actions - just like the Church has done for 200 years?

Casually Red said:
Because I'm a fascist now, as the cool kids have pronounced . Despite supposedly having me on ignore.
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I know you are no fascist. In fact you are a lovely, caring human being whom I love like a brother. But you are a bit of a dinosaur on this issue.

Hiding behind being a 'catholic' just shows the depths of your denial.
 
Casually Red said:
Ergo any church refusing to conduct one of these ceremonies will be labelled discriminatory and as such face a legal challenge . Again reaffirming my belief it's right to oppose this .
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I'm an atheist. I don't demand churches carry out atheist weddings. I do demand that an atheist marriage be seen as equal to a religious marriage.

I don't demand that churches marry gay couples (though I applaud those that will), but I do think anyone who pronounces that a gay marriage is not by definition a marriage is a reactionary auld bigot.
 
I hope casually red's having a good old sob into his Guinness about how the sanctity of marriage has been extended to the bloody woofters... While simultaneously crying out to all and sundry how he's a good old socialist really.
 
shifting gears said:
I hope casually red's having a good old sob into his Guinness about how the sanctity of marriage has been extended to the bloody woofters... While simultaneously crying out to all and sundry how he's a good old socialist really.
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I think Guinness is a mixture of liquidised snot and pish , and this issue has absolutely zero to do with socialism . Absolutely nothing . Enda Kenny is no more a socialist than Bertie Ahern was . Ireland's a neo liberal capitalist country that just passed more neo liberal legislation . There's absolutely nothing socialist about it . They'll be back evicting people this week .
 
danny la rouge said:
I'm imaging a party at @Casully Red's house.

CR: "Oh, let me introduce you to Adam...Danny, this is Adam, Steve's <performs air quotes> 'husband'. Adam, this is Danny; he's an atheist."
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I was ...genuinely..invited to a party in dublin to celebrate the result if you must know . In the company of a few yes voters and gay people I was socialising with just last week .

And what's this bullshit about atheism ? Just because I admitted I'm a catholic you start abusing me with that stereotypical shit ?
 
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Casually Red said:
I think Guinness is a mixture of liquidised snot and pish , and this issue has absolutely zero to do with socialism . Absolutely nothing . Enda Kenny is no more a socialist than Bertie Ahern was . Ireland's a neo liberal capitalist country that just passed more neo liberal legislation . There's absolutely nothing socialist about it . They'll be back evicting people this week .
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Who said anything about Kenny or the Irish govt?

The Irish electorate just took the first steps in levelling the playing field for gay couple. Here's hoping for NI to follow suit but I doubt it'll sit well with your selective religious sensibilities.

And if collectively putting the right for gays to marry ahead of entrenched religious or cultural/conservative prejudices doesn't at least contain shades of socialism.... Then I dunno what does.

Well pleased for Ireland, genuine cause for a nation to be proud:
 
shifting gears said:
Who said anything about Kenny or the Irish govt?

The Irish electorate just took the first steps in levelling the playing field for gay couple. Here's hoping for NI to follow suit but I doubt it'll sit well with your selective religious sensibilities.

And if collectively putting the right for gays to marry ahead of entrenched religious or cultural/conservative prejudices doesn't at least contain shades of socialism.... Then I dunno what does.

Well pleased for Ireland, genuine cause for a nation to be proud:
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Read my lips...it's got SWEET FUCK ALL to do with socialism. You judgemental git .
 
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