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That' a silly post - they're more likely to be pissing on you, especially if it's a tory.
Seems the US has not admitted to a cyber attack against Iran, they're boasting about it.
However, the attack was probably as stupid as it was unjustified as it's warned the Iranians they can do it, and whoever supplied the weapons systems is also alerted to US capabilities.
US 'launched cyber-attack on Iran weapons systems'
However, the attack was probably as stupid as it was unjustified as it's warned the Iranians they can do it, and whoever supplied the weapons systems is also alerted to US capabilities.
US 'launched cyber-attack on Iran weapons systems'
What a fucking idiot - Yet another Blair war - no fucker needs more of that stupidity
TopCat
Putin fanboy
US plans coalition of military allies to patrol waters off Iran and Yemen
The US will provide command and control boats. A coalition of the willing will do the work.
The US will provide command and control boats. A coalition of the willing will do the work.
not-bono-ever
meh
It’s gone a bit macho here. Who will blink first ? Tramp is stirring the region with a long spoon but is he up to a possibly bloody conflict
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
i'm not convinced that its all going to blow up - this is all pretty much business as usual, there are 'confrontations' between commercial shipping, the various western navies operating in the Gulf, and the IIRG most weeks, and there have been those confrontations for decades. it ebbs and flows, and sometimes the manner of particular confrontations is a bit spicier than in others, but it drops off again.
that, of course, doesn't mean it can't or won't happen, but little has actually changed from previous episodes in which neither side felt the need to go to war.
that, of course, doesn't mean it can't or won't happen, but little has actually changed from previous episodes in which neither side felt the need to go to war.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
No Iranian oilsales is different.
Luckily a war with Iran has remained speculation and nothing more for over a decade. Hopefully the conflict between Iran and the West will somehow be defused and the Iranians will be left to construct their own road to freedom and justice. But for all eventualities, some certainties can be stated:
a) Iranian control over Iranian resources is of paramount importance for Iranian social progress. In this regard the actual achievements of the 1979 revolution must be defended.
b) The Iranian working class has learnt that a national bourgeoisie is not much better than a comprador one, if it is better at all. Otherwise stated: anti imperialism is a necessary condition of emancipatory politics in the periphery but it is never sufficient: the moment imperialism is defeated a thousand new issues arise.
c) In the case of a military attack against Iran the restitution of the Islamic Republic can never be a goal; only the restitution of sovereignty can. The ongoing victimisation of Iran must not tempt an anti war movement in the West and other parts of the world to fall into the trap of minimising the human rights abuses of the Islamic Republic, for these are terrible. Under all conditions, solidarity should be directed to none other than the masses of ordinary working Iranians.
An invasion of Iran would be devastating. How it would affect the seeds and well springs of democracy, if they survive at all, one cannot know. But one thing is for certain. Unlike the B-52s, F-16s and bunker busting bombs that fall from the sky, the democracy of labour grows from below.
a) Iranian control over Iranian resources is of paramount importance for Iranian social progress. In this regard the actual achievements of the 1979 revolution must be defended.
b) The Iranian working class has learnt that a national bourgeoisie is not much better than a comprador one, if it is better at all. Otherwise stated: anti imperialism is a necessary condition of emancipatory politics in the periphery but it is never sufficient: the moment imperialism is defeated a thousand new issues arise.
c) In the case of a military attack against Iran the restitution of the Islamic Republic can never be a goal; only the restitution of sovereignty can. The ongoing victimisation of Iran must not tempt an anti war movement in the West and other parts of the world to fall into the trap of minimising the human rights abuses of the Islamic Republic, for these are terrible. Under all conditions, solidarity should be directed to none other than the masses of ordinary working Iranians.
An invasion of Iran would be devastating. How it would affect the seeds and well springs of democracy, if they survive at all, one cannot know. But one thing is for certain. Unlike the B-52s, F-16s and bunker busting bombs that fall from the sky, the democracy of labour grows from below.
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likesfish
You can't park here sir
Iran has joined Cuba in the elite club of giving america an eternal hateboner that they can do little about.
Even commie china or vietnam who defeated them has reached that status yet.
North Korea and Venuzelia have tried but the orange one shook hands with the fat one knocking NK out of the running maduros probably not going to last much longer.
Even commie china or vietnam who defeated them has reached that status yet.
North Korea and Venuzelia have tried but the orange one shook hands with the fat one knocking NK out of the running maduros probably not going to last much longer.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I note the UK are taking the opportunity to highlight their (and Europes) differences with the USA over this, going on about how its was the destination (Syria) that was the problem, not the source (Iran).
The EU has even setup mechanisms to allow trade with Iran to continue despite US sanctions, but I think companies are nervous about using it in case the USA comes down hard on them for sanctions-busting.
And a lot of Irans recent threats and acts seen to be aimed at extracting some kind of economic compensation from the EU, very much including the nuclear deal breaches.
For these and many other reasons, Iran continues to be a poor fit for the standard 'shit we are beating the war drum' narrative that tempts some people on this thread.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
elbows
Well-Known Member
Neither do most of the countries that are said to be looking for one!
TheHoodedClaw
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Hmmm, another one? Liberian-flagged this time.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Current PM, Foreign Sec, Defence etc retain their full responsibilities.
TheHoodedClaw
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ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
Revolutionary Guard dictating Iranian policy by action again?
Nice bunch of lads.
Nice bunch of lads.
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
How reassuring
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Don't worry, on Wednesday we'll have a new PM with an absolutely stellar track record of successfully handling delicate negotiations with Iran
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Don't worry, on Wednesday we'll have a new PM with an absolutely stellar track record of successfully handling delicate negotiations with Iran
Boris’s “Falklands Moment” perhaps?
That should be interesting ....
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
Deep.
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