International Mens Day
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
remember that time she called me a cunt loud enough for everyone in the street and you on the phone to hear it? good times.omg dotcom, I just remembered next level things about yer mam
my linguistic persuasions
are more tuned to aliens
more things in heaven and earth are thought
Hegemony is the answer,
It makes you feel right,
Simplistic observations obscuring your sight...
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
if only it was an isolated incident and not so tediously regularher calling you a cunt
classic
(am crying tears ere, lads)
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Mind awash in hydroponic grow
And cogitating deep in M. Foucault
To reach a state where one can say 'I know!'
I read, and think, and wait for dawn's first glow...
And cogitating deep in M. Foucault
To reach a state where one can say 'I know!'
I read, and think, and wait for dawn's first glow...
To know Foucault, oh where to start?
We could all be mad - and play our part.
Or you could claim, in order to see,
Foundational aspects
Of Archaeology.
Or reject as deficient, too premised on time,
No objective position, genealogy 'tis fine!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
woah there, don't go overboard and use the C word.
I've got to have a shave. Happy man day, an unshaven rogue and a philosopher sit rhyming with our peng.
Athos
Well-Known Member
There's two particularly significant differences, though.
First, marriage is something people do, not that they are. People's conception of an institution does not, in my view, merit the same respect as their conception of something so fundamental as their own gender.
Secondly, your analogy divorces (pun intended) things from the context of power. Whilst I would have no great qualms about imposing my view of marriage on a married person, I'd be very reluctant to tell a cis woman that her conception of her own gender must be the same as mine (i.e. trans inclusive). Not least of all because the endpoint of that logic is that we'd brand as bigots lesbians who refuse on principle to sleep with anyone with a dick. As someone born into the male sex and socialised as a boy and a man, that'd be a deeply dodgy position for me to take, I think.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I always thought it rhymed with merlot, more or less
already happening. cotton ceiling.
you are not entitled to a date or sex. there doesnt even need to be a reason for the no. what you do in this instance isnt cry about it and call people bigoted, you move on.
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Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
You spend an awful lot of time telling trans people they shouldn't tell cis people what gender is, but no time at all telling cis people they shouldn't tell trans people what gender is.
Time and time again you wade into these discussions, always with the forced caveat of "of course, I don't agree with these terfs, but..."
I'm not racist, but...
What's your preoccupation with this?
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
jeez, to see someone who identifies as trans repeating this bullshit. None of us demand sex from anyone. What utter bullshit. You're back on ignore.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
did not apologise. At least not to me.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Passive aggressive much?
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
no, and I don;t feel trans, i dont and never did feel a "bit man" whatever that would be like.
no - they don;t. the wording was very specifically off the shelf transphobia - I've had the same bullshit for three years now. I recognise it instantly.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
as for being emotional - hey, whoever gained rights by being angry, eh?
oh wait... everybody!!
I see nothing but fucking double standards used against trans people standing up for their rights now. I've seen others stand up and be supported and as soon as we stand up the draw bridge goes up and you all pretend that you were always so reasonable and establishement and that we fucking trans people are just coming along to spoil your fucking party!!
Well fuck you. We don;t need your validation.
Liberals make me sick!
oh wait... everybody!!
I see nothing but fucking double standards used against trans people standing up for their rights now. I've seen others stand up and be supported and as soon as we stand up the draw bridge goes up and you all pretend that you were always so reasonable and establishement and that we fucking trans people are just coming along to spoil your fucking party!!
Well fuck you. We don;t need your validation.
Liberals make me sick!
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
You know; ocasionally I'm told to go have a lie down or go for a walk. Which always comes across as a bit patronising, I find. I understand your exasperation, though. Go have a beer, AuntiStella or meet up with some real friends. Whatever you do, stop wasting your energy on a handful of dopes who get off on your pain and discomfort.
I didn't say that anyone demands sex I mentioned whining about people not wanting to have sex with you with you - entitlement can be expressed without demands - entitlement is expectation. I merely pointed out that people arent entitled to sex and the thing you should do is move on instead of whining about no one sleeping with you regardless of how one identifies. and anyone can be entitled. it goes for everybody. not just trans women.
everyone has their own individual preferences and they have a right to do with it as they wish without being labelled as a bigot when expressing those preferences. - I dont know about you but I'd like to distance myself from the pervasive idea that this is how trans people think and act.
you say 'we' like you speak for everyone.
ignore me ignore you
ahhhaaaaaaaaa
there is nothing we can do
ignore me ignore you
ahaaaaaaaaaaa
we just have to face it this time we're through
ignore me ignore you it's the best I can doooo
not only that but you've explicitly outed me when I aint even said that shit explicitly myself. so thanks. 'as someone who...'
everyone has their own individual preferences and they have a right to do with it as they wish without being labelled as a bigot when expressing those preferences. - I dont know about you but I'd like to distance myself from the pervasive idea that this is how trans people think and act.
you say 'we' like you speak for everyone.
ignore me ignore you
ahhhaaaaaaaaa
there is nothing we can do
ignore me ignore you
ahaaaaaaaaaaa
we just have to face it this time we're through
ignore me ignore you it's the best I can doooo
not only that but you've explicitly outed me when I aint even said that shit explicitly myself. so thanks. 'as someone who...'
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Athos
Well-Known Member
I'm not preoccupied; I find gender an interesting subject, that's all.
Are you suggesting that I'm lying? That I don't consider trans people to be the gender they say they are? That I think AuntiStella is a man? Because that's untrue, unfair, and unsupported by any evidence whatsoever.
I've said time and time again that, in my opinion, trans people have a right to define themselves as they see fit. I wouldn't defend a cis person telling a trans person they can't do so.
But I don't think anyone has a right to force their conception of gender onto anyone else - cis on trans, or trans on cis. Do you?
Nor do I think that having a different conception of gender is necessarily transphobic (though, of course, sometimes can be - which I condemn). Do you?
Athos
Well-Known Member
Do lesbians have a right to discriminate between cis and trans women as matter of principle i.e.not on a case-by-case basis, with regard to sex? If so, do you accept that they (or others) have the right to discriminate along that divide with respect to other issues? If so, which issues? If not, what is the basis for that distinction?
I got some thoughts on this about how the universe is chaos, about how all the 'new people' now have always existed and this been surpressed by fascism over the years because fascism is very ordered we are drawn to straight lines because they are unnatural kind of thing and it keeps people passive - which has led to the binary of sex and gender and it's all just being uncovered via internet use and the ability to connect ideas with similar people
i need to smoke some more weed
i need to smoke some more weed
well I think if someone is militantly I wont fuck these people then thats a bit short sighted, but if it really matters to the individual then I'm not sure how ones gonna force the issue. - only a very small percentage of people are like that tho? it could be shame about themselves as well if they were to go there - am guessing that cis people can have internalised transphobia too - struggling to define cis shame it's not like internalised homophobia where the individual is scared they might be considered gay or that its a shameful thing. am I getting that right? theres probably a few cross overs, prob just straight up transphobia.
maybe it's just the act of announcing that preference to the world which is seen as transphobic because it's unnecessary and you cant guarantee 100% that you wont do something. I had a talk with a gay friend once and he asked me if I ever watch lesbian porn or find women attractive and my answer was not really and he said good because if you said an outright no I'd think you were suppressing something.
I mean people go on about the media telling people what is attractive but tbh I dont see that it has much impact really because people get turned on by an encyclopaedia of things - look at fetishes, look at any porn tube site category list. it's a theory that conflicts with reality.
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Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Who doesn't have the expectation that someone (but not a particular person) will want to have sex (or be intimate) with them? If you're dismissive about this and dismissive about the effects of constant rejection or feeling unwanted, then I suggest you might be in a privileged position...
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