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stella hun, them not wanting to debate a trans woman with opinions is somewhat shown by the baiting. trying to shut down debate.
that's a debate that those of us who aren't cunts have learned a great deal from. not only in understanding the great complexities of human experience, but also in how society and we ourselves look at gender.
so don't let them succeed.
that's a debate that those of us who aren't cunts have learned a great deal from. not only in understanding the great complexities of human experience, but also in how society and we ourselves look at gender.
so don't let them succeed.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
time to get the batman costume out is it?
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Athos
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It's interesting that you conflate what hurts you with transphobia. That's to expand the definition of transphobia beyond what it's widely understood to mean. That is why you wrongly label any critical thought about gender which doesn't necessarily accord with your own as transphobic, even when it's clearly not motivated by dislike, fear or prejudice of/towards trans people. I suspect that's a deliberate ploy to attempt to silence people by slurring them.
And, with regard to the second half of the final sentence: No, you are not best placed to judge what is designed to hurt you; the issue of 'design' goes entirely to the intentions of those whose actions you're judging, and it follows that they must be better equipped to know their own intentions than you are.
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Gromit
International Man of Misery
Yeah I've used that argument when I've been accused of distrupting threads. It didn't cut any mustard then and so i guess it doesn't now.
Athos
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Why shouldn't they post on this thread?
no, you didnt, but the person in question has since apologised - are you going to respond to that?
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FridgeMagnet
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I'm happy for the men's day thread to discuss trans people (real men think nothing of challenging discussions about identity) and we're blessed to have one discussing it and it's sad she's being trolled I think because of our gender finding it hard to ask about stuff.
So is trans a third sex and do you feel as trans a bit man? AuntiStella
I think the jibes come from confusion more than cuntyness but I might be wrong
So is trans a third sex and do you feel as trans a bit man? AuntiStella
I think the jibes come from confusion more than cuntyness but I might be wrong
you dont stop or start being, you just are. simple as that. imo.
outward appearances are irrelevant.
CRI
Registered Chooser
Uh no. I've never heard the term "gender critical" used where it didn't mean denying the basic human rights of trans folk, so therefore transphobic. Criticising gender norms (i.e. pink and dolls for girls, blue and cars for boys) or society valuing men more than women is not the same thing.
If I stomp your foot, it will hurt, whether I did it by accident or intentionally. I don't accept that ignorance is an excuse for bigotry. Okay, make a mistake once and learn from it. Do it again and you don't get a free pass, nope.
Athos
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I'm not talking about statements born of ignorance, but about those based on a differing conception of gender. It's quite possible for a woman to question what it means to be a woman for no other reason that the significance of that question to her own identity, rather than becasue she hates trans people. The fact that some trans women disagree with that doesn't make it transphobic per se.
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