International Mens Day

[camouflage]

It's a day for me to celebrate not being one any more....

indeed, women wear skirts and lipstick and grow their hair long usually because of their genes and their female brains, which is also why they wear high-heels. women are different from men that way. it is right and progressive and for the better that men who want to wear dresses or reject machismoism may only be permitted to do so by asserting Western concepts of gender identity from 1947 specifically.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

They don't change that site around much do they? The dodgy shit I quoted from the UK section is still there, plus that "manhood/rites of passage" stuff that Lord Camomile mentions.

"Oh yes male suicide and mental health, very important, let's not challenge any traditional gender roles that hugely contribute to the problem though, let's do it within the system." I think the phrase in response is "jog on".

 

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[camouflage]

Ok. Thankyou for your irrelevant straw man argument. I'm putting you on ignore for being a transphobe.

Transphobe? But like you I support the idea that women are defined by their cultural-attire and commonly expected modes of conduct.

Too many women these days disdain skirts or become tree-surgeons and yet deny that deep down inside they are actually secretly men whose bodies made a mistake and grew boobs.

 

[krtek a houby]

Transphobe? But like you I support the idea that women are defined by their cultural-attire and commonly expected modes of conduct.

Too many women these days disdain skirts or become tree-surgeons and yet deny that deep down inside they are actually secretly men whose bodies made a mistake and grew boobs.

????

 

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[krtek a houby]

She sounds really reasonable doesn't she? I know more trans men than I know trans women and the causes - how we feel - our stories and our experiences match entirely. Gender identity is innate and is irrrelevant to gender roles.

Funnily enough lots of trans women are quite tomboyish and pursue what she seems to be implying are male pursuits and still identify as women - though her kind would always say that those women are not feminine enough while the rest of us are too feminine. We can't win. Catch 22.

This upsets me. And I don't understand every aspect of your experience but why should you have to justify who you are to people who don't know or want to know? I'm guessing because it causes grief - the ignorance, the comments, the asides.

 

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[FabricLiveBaby!]

Nobody is cis.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

The theme is designed to help more people consider what action we can all take to “Make a Difference” by addressing some of the issues that affect Men and Boys such as:

• The high male suicide rate
• The challenges faced by boys and men at all stages of education including attainment
• Men’s health, shorter life expectancy and workplace deaths
• The challenges faced by the most marginalised men and boys in society (for instance, homeless men, boys in care and the high rate of male deaths in custody)
• Male victims of violence, including sexual violence
• The challenges faced by men as parents, particularly new fathers and separated fathers
• Male victims and survivors of sexual abuse, rape, sexual exploitation, domestic abuse, forced marriage, honour-based crime, stalking and slavery
• The negative portrayal of men, boys and fathers

To be honest this isn't a bad theme. I do worry if males are going to start blaming females for this stuff, though. Seems to me that all these problems (bar domestic violence and perhaps education) are perpetrated by males on males.

 

[camouflage]

She sounds really reasonable doesn't she? I know more trans men than I know trans women and the causes - how we feel - our stories and our experiences match entirely. Gender identity is innate and is irrrelevant to gender roles.

Funnily enough lots of trans women are quite tomboyish and pursue what she seems to be implying are male pursuits and still identify as women - though her kind would always say that those women are not feminine enough while the rest of us are too feminine. We can't win. Catch 22.

You have mistaken me for a person with two x-chromosomes. I am honoured, but I actually only have one x-chromosome and one y-chromosome (not that there's anything wrong with that).

I'm not trying to control you, wear a dress and call yourself a woman if you want. If a bit of archaic casual sexism is what's required to make it work- have at it. I won't partake, but that's not meant to impinge on your user experience.

 

[Lord Camomile]

To be honest this isn't a bad theme. I do worry if males are going to start blaming females for this stuff, though. Seems to me that all these problems (bar domestic violence and perhaps education) are perpetrated by males on males.

That's the trouble with these things, they can highlight genuine issues, but get so caught up in the wrong fights conducted in the wrong way against the wrong people that genuine, worthwhile discussions are hard to come by.

See also: Trump's election.

 

[pengaleng]

male anger or female hysteria? you only get to pick one stereotype.

 

[pengaleng]

Nobody is cis.

I'd disagree with that on the basis I've had many conversations with people who grew up not ever thinking about their gender or questioning it. which blows my mind every time it happens because I cant relate to that shit at all. but thats what it means.

I thought no one was cis once before I realised that not everyone thinks about gender all the time or at all.

 

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[krtek a houby]

then nobody can be trans. Why are you denying my identity?

AAAARGH! THIS FUCKING SITE!

(not directed at you, AuntiStella x)

 

[pengaleng]

no one is denying anyones identity.

sometimes people dont know things.

it's ok that people dont know things because you can teach them things instead of getting instantly defensive.

people being afraid to ask questions or state opinions is wrong. this type of reaction creates that situation. people dont learn things or accept things this way.

this type of emotional reaction is damaging.

 

[camouflage]

then nobody can be trans. Why are you denying my identity?

ATo be fair I thought it was wrong the amount of flack this woman got. Black are you, good... a fine choice.

 

[krtek a houby]

no one is denying anyones identity.

sometimes people dont know things.

it's ok that people dont know things because you can teach them things instead of getting instantly defensive.

people being afraid to ask questions or state opinions is wrong. this type of reaction creates that situation. people dont learn things or accept things this way.

this type of emotional reaction is damaging.

Sometimes, some people react emotionally because of what they have to deal with on a daily basis. Even on sites like this, where people share and empathise and help each other. Or try to.

 

[Lord Camomile]

I'd disagree with that on the basis I've had many conversations with people who grew up not ever thinking about their gender or questioning it. which blows my mind every time it happens because I cant relate to that shit at all. but thats what it means.

I thought no one was cis once before I realised that not everyone thinks about gender all the time or at all.

Depending on what you mean by "thinking about their gender", I must confess I've never really thought about/questioned it. I have had the odd idle "what if I'd been born female" thought, and obviously various conversations have led me to consider gender both as biological and cultural construct, but I've never really questioned my own gender.

Rather because of that, I find it hard to wrap my head around what it must be like if you do question it. It's just something I've never had to deal with and I just can't imagine what it's like to feel like you're in the 'wrong body' or similar thoughts.

 

[IC3D]

Yay men's day. Who's drinking cos we already arguing, like men!! RRRRR elo darlin oi oi football my cock woot!! Happy Men's Day everyone!

 

[pengaleng]

Sometimes, some people react emotionally because of what they have to deal with on a daily basis. Even on sites like this, where people share and empathise and help each other. Or try to.

yes I know.

emotional investment isnt that helpful when discussing such subjects though. you have to realise this for yourself though tbh.

 

[bi0boy]

This thread was doing ok the last couple of years but then it went all 2016.

 

[pengaleng]

Depending on what you mean by "thinking about their gender", I must confess I've never really thought about/questioned it. I have had the odd idle "what if I'd been born female" thought, and obviously various conversations have led me to consider gender both as biological and cultural construct, but I've never really questioned my own gender.

Rather because of that, I find it hard to wrap my head around what it must be like if you do question it. It's just something I've never had to deal with and I just can't imagine what it's like to feel like you're in the 'wrong body' or similar thoughts.

thats not what I meant by thinking about it, I mean in the more underlying, always there, near constant, fluctuating self concious thoughts over many many years kind of way

 

[bi0boy]

You have mistaken me for a person with two x-chromosomes. I am honoured, but I actually only have one x-chromosome and one y-chromosome (not that there's anything wrong with that).

I'm not trying to control you, wear a dress and call yourself a woman if you want. If a bit of archaic casual sexism is what's required to make it work- have at it. I won't partake, but that's not meant to impinge on your user experience.

Sometimes if you don't know what you're talking about it's best to shut up.

 

[pengaleng]

tbh I came on this thread for talk of power tools and supercars and sheds. but I got this shit.

 

[camouflage]

Sometimes if you don't know what you're talking about it's best to shut up.

Tell you what this identity lark is a funny old game. Perhaps you're right.

 

[Vintage Paw]

You have mistaken me for a person with two x-chromosomes. I am honoured, but I actually only have one x-chromosome and one y-chromosome (not that there's anything wrong with that).

I'm not trying to control you, wear a dress and call yourself a woman if you want. If a bit of archaic casual sexism is what's required to make it work- have at it. I won't partake, but that's not meant to impinge on your user experience.

wow, you are being a massive fucking shithead