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cantsin

cantsin

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they might be on £100k a yr for their political expertise / insights, but they just made an honest ' mistake ', for two whole years, it cld happen to anyone....

Am liking this fella today, 2 yrs of incessant anti Corbyn invective , from a professor of politics ( Manc Uni ) , now suddenly has pinned a rare ' cld LIBERAL - left come back ?' tweet ,started RTing ' Corbyn did great ' threads -and deleted all tweets prior to May 2017 - job done....

@robfordmancs

Post up yr favourite backsliding, arse covering, ' I've had an epiphany ' examples
 
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Good selection here:
Crawling back to Corbyn: The Labour rebels eating their words after benefiting from Jeremy Corbyn's popularity

They've got three outs:
1) It was about rejecting (hard) Brexit
2) It was due to the Tory's/May's failures
3) Labour still lost it

The poor performance of the LibDems and strong performance of the Tories (despite everything) put 1) & 2) to rest and the situation is much more interesting and volatile than a simple Labour loss. They are basically dividing into realists (eg. Chukka Ummuna) and lunatics (eg. Chris Leslie).

Really enjoying Yvette Cooper's pitch for shadow home secretary, though.
 
Owen Jones has put in a great deal of work this last month, I don't think it's fair to include him with the bulk of the commentariat & progress knifemen.

I'd like to see who actually thought this was possible? Even the likes of Seymour were saying the aim of the election campaign should be to prevent too many lost seats. As far as I can tell only Aaron bastani called It...
 
killer b said:
Owen Jones has put in a great deal of work this last month, I don't think it's fair to include him with the bulk of the commentariat & progress knifemen.

I'd like to see who actually thought this was possible? Even the likes of Seymour were saying the aim of the election campaign should be to prevent too many lost seats. As far as I can tell only Aaron bastani called It...
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I don't think Aaron Bastani thought that Labour would win in the last week of the campaign, the Novara media podcasts just prior to the election were very pessimistic sounding. The live stream with Bastani, Matt Zarb etc they were doing before the announcement of the exit polling sounded like a wake, they thought that Labour was going to lose very badly.
 
cantsin said:
Post up yr favourite backsliding, arse covering, ' I've had an epiphany ' examples
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My boss is my favourite! Though he probably doesn't count.

We've had many an argument over the death of ideology, the need for a sensible managerialist alternative, whether or not David Milliband should come back to save Labour from itself. To the point where he'd almost convinced me, and I was dead sold that this election was going to be fucked. Utterly fucked.

Which reminds me, I meant to finally get round to joining Labour, after several inexcusable wobbles based on the assumption that a return to Milliband mk2 was just around the corner. So I'm probably eating my words, too :thumbs:
 
The best bit of sitting up all night was watching all the grandees, Straw, Hain etc, having to hastily conceal their sharpened daggers up sleeves and under napkins.
 
DaveCinzano said:
Nick Cohen manages to grudgingly admit he was wrong whilst simultaneously BEING RIGHT ALL ALONG.

Impressive stuff indeed. Classic Obbo.

I was wrong about Corbyn’s chances, but I still doubt him | Nick Cohen
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Nick Cohen's a nutcase, but his position here is perfectly reasonable. Acknowledge Corbyn did well while being in principle against him. Cf Oliver Kamm. These old decents see themselves as voices in the wilderness, not the voice of the silent majority.
 
I think it might be fair to at least take a Owen Jones view - Corbyn pre-makeover made things very difficult.

He changed. He softened (for example) the Nuclear issue (quite brilliantly/admirably to maintain his integrity) and worked on his delivery. Something changed with him.

(One thing I'll be keen to see is PMQ's. He was getting bullied week in week out. No one wants to see that from their leader)

There's a fair few revisionists sneering at the non-believers (not the politicians - hang the PLP traitors ofc), taking the view "I knew all along he would come good and perform one of the biggest upsets in modern political polling". With many, at best it was a refusal to criticise him because he was the best of a bad bunch (and not a Blairite) and "fuck voting, the government always wins" so the hypothesized annihilation of Labour was almost welcome (with the added benefit of pining it on some revenge for the Blair years/Influence).
 
Ted Striker said:
I think it might be fair to at least take a Owen Jones view - Corbyn pre-makeover made things very difficult.

He changed. He softened (for example) the Nuclear issue (quite brilliantly/admirably to maintain his integrity) and worked on his delivery. Something changed with him.

(One thing I'll be keen to see is PMQ's. He was getting bullied week in week out. No one wants to see that from their leader)

There's a fair few revisionists sneering at the non-believers (not the politicians - hang the PLP traitors ofc), taking the view "I knew all along he would come good and perform one of the biggest upsets in modern political polling". With many, at best it was a refusal to criticise him because he was the best of a bad bunch (and not a Blairite) and "fuck voting, the government always wins" so the hypothesized annihilation of Labour was almost welcome (with the added benefit of pining it on some revenge for the Blair years/Influence).
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I suspect that something that is going to become more apparent as the story of the campaign is written is the influence of organisers from the Sanders campaign. This influence is really evident in the improvement in media output, the snappiness of the rhetoric from Corbyn and others and the role of youth canvassers.
 
J Ed said:
I suspect that something that is going to become more apparent as the story of the campaign is written is the influence of organisers from the Sanders campaign. This influence is really evident in the improvement in media output, the snappiness of the rhetoric from Corbyn and others and the role of youth canvassers.
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Yup...I do remember last year constantly having the recurring thought "why can't my loony lefty revolutionist be more like Bernie" (little did I know that was his middle name - he did have some Bernie in him! :p).

Off the top of my head, a big swing was focusing on stuff that didn't actually matter/engage (well, relatively!). Broadcasting from the rooftops about climate change, splitting the media empires and scrapping trident vs NHS, wages and working conditions and tuition fees.
 
J Ed said:
I don't think Aaron Bastani thought that Labour would win in the last week of the campaign, the Novara media podcasts just prior to the election were very pessimistic sounding. The live stream with Bastani, Matt Zarb etc they were doing before the announcement of the exit polling sounded like a wake, they thought that Labour was going to lose very badly.
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Everyone lost their nerve in the last few days. Everyone.
 
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