Hundreds of women assaulted in German NYE celebrations

[Casually Red]

Germany (I've been told) will not passively stand by and have their public space totally covered with CCTV, not like we have. Just going form what a computer-friend told me that of all of Europe Germany is the place most serious (due to public pressure & interest in the subject) of defending their freedom from surveillance by the state.
Anyway, CCTV is a shit answer, almost as poor as any of the above joke suggestions re curfews and vigilante leftie knights.

The vigilantes are happening . As they'll be led by the far right the only effect they are likely to have is the beating, and quite possibly ...indeed likely...the killing of, random dark people minding their own business . An alternative to that coming from the left of the spectrum might actually save a life or 2 and stop this getting completely out of hand . As has been already pointed out the cops can't be everywhere, and even when they were there they wre absolutely useless . In the absence of security citizens will , obviously, try and protect themselves . That's inescapable .
The necessity for that type of self defence isn't any more outlandish than the prospect of there being massive gangs of rape mafia stalking German cities . There are. And it plainly requires a physical response to it . So which is better ? A far right one or a leftist one ? We're this the middle east such a project by the left would be lauded . And yet here we are with this social evil imported directly from the middle east and it's a ridiculous response to it ?

 

[bimble]

e2a: how would you suggest classes are run for new arrivals - many of whom will not have got to grips with strong verbs?

Step 1: Language classes. . as already discussed, if you're having to walk around with 'i like your tits please can i sex you' written on a piece of paper like those boys arrested last week in Cologne then you need to work on your chat up lines first.

 

[Casually Red]

Step 1: Language classes. . as already discussed, if you're having to walk around with 'i like your tits please can i sex you' written on a piece of paper like those boys arrested last week in Cologne then you need to work on your chat up lines first.

Except they do precisely this stuff to women in their own countries . And communication obstacles clearly aren't the problem there . They may enable them to insult and verbally threaten european women much more effectively though .
I'm not saying migrants shouldn't be taught language lessons for a minute, but it's not going to solve anything .

 

[Pickman's model]

Step 1: Language classes. . as already discussed, if you're having to walk around with 'i like your tits please can i sex you' written on a piece of paper like those boys arrested last week in Cologne then you need to work on your chat up lines first.

no no no.

what happened to getting qualified teachers who can speak the necessary languages? or getting venues? getting accommodation for the migrants? let's not forget that in 2001 the americans were hard pushed to find people who could speak afghan languages for intelligence analysis purposes - where will all these fluent speakers of middle east and central asian languages come from? not to mention the budget...

 

[planetgeli]

no no no.

what happened to getting qualified teachers who can speak the necessary languages? or getting venues? getting accommodation for the migrants? let's not forget that in 2001 the americans were hard pushed to find people who could speak afghan languages for intelligence analysis purposes - where will all these fluent speakers of middle east and central asian languages come from? not to mention the budget...

I'm not agreeing that language classes are necessarily the first and most important step (though education through integration most certainly is) and I may be missing your point here but...why the need for qualified teachers who speak middle eastern or central Asian languages? Anyone who has done a CELTA or TEFL course will tell you there is no requirement/need for the teacher to speak the language of the pupil. IE, an English teacher does not need to speak Urdu to teach a Pakistani English and vice versa. Or have I misunderstood what you mean?

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not agreeing that language classes are necessarily the first and most important step (though education through integration most certainly is) and I may be missing your point here but...why the need for qualified teachers who speak middle eastern or central Asian languages? Anyone who has done a CELTA or TEFL course will tell you there is no requirement/need for the teacher to speak the language of the pupil. IE, an English teacher does not need to speak Urdu to teach a Pakistani English and vice versa. Or have I misunderstood what you mean?

yes, normally i would agree with you. but i think that when people are coming from a very different culture to live in western europe it would be useful to be able to speak the students' language to explain cultural difficulties in their own language and to understand what they're saying so potential misunderstandings can be headed off. it's not like these are (european) teenagers after a smattering of english or spanish for use on a holiday.

 

[Casually Red]

I'm not agreeing that language classes are necessarily the first and most important step (though education through integration most certainly is) and I may be missing your point here but...why the need for qualified teachers who speak middle eastern or central Asian languages? Anyone who has done a CELTA or TEFL course will tell you there is no requirement/need for the teacher to speak the language of the pupil. IE, an English teacher does not need to speak Urdu to teach a Pakistani English and vice versa. Or have I misunderstood what you mean?

It's a million new arrivals ..and counting. Not including the few hundred thousand before them . How many teachers do you envisage ? And how many venues ?

 

[bimble]

no no no.

what happened to getting qualified teachers who can speak the necessary languages? or getting venues? getting accommodation for the migrants? let's not forget that in 2001 the americans were hard pushed to find people who could speak afghan languages for intelligence analysis purposes - where will all these fluent speakers of middle east and central asian languages come from? not to mention the budget...

ok. Forget it. Lets just shout at each other a bit more about 'the left" and "the right" and "capital and imperialism"'s role in what happened here.

I'm going to regret this but.. Our man Dave is on the case already , see today's news about 20 million quid for english language classes.

 

[Pickman's model]

ok. Forget it. Lets just shout at each other a bit more about 'the left" and "the right" and "capital and imperialism"'s role in what happened here.

I'm going to regret this but.. Our man Dave is on the case already , see today's news about 20 million quid for english language classes.

your ideas, while good, need infrastructure to implement: and frankly this hasn't been well thought through by either the uk or german governments.

 

[planetgeli]

It's a million new arrivals ..and counting. Not including the few hundred thousand before them . How many teachers do you envisage ? And how many venues ?

Quite a few. I'd like to envisage a culture and economy based around integration and education.

Posts like yours, throwing random huge numbers around, just look like thinly veiled racism based on fear. You see chaos, I see opportunity.

 

[Casually Red]

Quite a few. I'd like to envisage a culture and economy based around integration and education.

Posts like yours, throwing random huge numbers around, just look like thinly veiled racism based on fear. You see chaos, I see opportunity.

It's not a random huge number . It's the actual huge number for last year . Are you disputing this number . And calling me a racist for referring to it ?

Why yes you are .

And yes, I see chaos . A thousand scumbags raping and molesting hundreds of women in front of the cops, gangs numbering hundreds stalking the streets all over Germany . Right wing Vigilante gangs springing up doing their stalking . That's pretty chaotic by any definition . And lots of people are genuinely in fear , because it's actually quite scary what's happening . This " opportunity " thing of yours your so chuffed about .

So "quite a few " teachers then . That's that sorted .

 

[planetgeli]

"A million" and "the few hundred thousand before them" are indeed random big numbers. Why don't you go the whole hog and say we're being swamped?

"A thousand scumbags"... Or 'men' as they are also known.

"Lots of people in fear". Well, you certainly seem to be.

Nah, it's great women suddenly have all these supporters for the rights of women. And that it's nothing at all to do with (not so) thinly veiled racism based on the fear of multiculturalism.

Yeah. Lots of fucking teachers. A whole economy of teachers if you want. Why is that so scary?

Women haven't just started being scared of male violence. But this (utterly disgusting) experience in Germany on NYE has certainly sorted out the people who really believe in multiculturalism from...the racists who think they have found their perfect vehicle.

 

[Teenage Cthulhu]

So if you don't believe in multiculturalism and acknowledge its many failings you're a racist. ?

Kenan Malik is good on this.

(Also check out Himani Bannerji's dark side of a nation: essays on multiculturalism, nationalism and gender)

 

[planetgeli]

So if you don't believe in multiculturalism and acknowledge its many failings you're a racist. OK.

Kenan Malik is good on this.

Just slightly spoilt by association with the professional controversialists aka the RCP/LM etc. Yeah, impressed.

 

[Teenage Cthulhu]

Why are critics of MC racist?

 

[Casually Red]

"A million" and "the few hundred thousand before them" are indeed random big numbers. Why don't you go the whole hog and say we're being swamped?

"A thousand scumbags"... Or 'men' as they are also known.

"Lots of people in fear". Well, you certainly seem to be.

Nah, it's great women suddenly have all these supporters for the rights of women. And that it's nothing at all to do with (not so) thinly veiled racism based on the fear of multiculturalism.

Yeah. Lots of fucking teachers. A whole economy of teachers if you want. Why is that so scary?

Women haven't just started being scared of male violence. But this (utterly disgusting) experience in Germany on NYE has certainly sorted out the people who really believe in multiculturalism from...the racists who think they have found their perfect vehicle.

Listen you fucking twat . Here are the official figures quoted in the ..admittedly dreadfully racist..Guardian .

A million asylum seekers approx for 2015 , approximately a quarter that for 2014

Germany on course to accept one million refugees in 2015

Are you a joke poster just pretending to be one of these assholes ? Your stereotypicalness could be regarded as suspicious, by anyone experiencing great incredulity at the level of your stupidity . Which is pretty awesome .

And one thousand rapists and people helping rapists are, without a shadow of a doubt, scumbags .

 

[Pickman's model]

"A million" and "the few hundred thousand before them" are indeed random big numbers. Why don't you go the whole hog and say we're being swamped?

"A thousand scumbags"... Or 'men' as they are also known.

"Lots of people in fear". Well, you certainly seem to be.

Nah, it's great women suddenly have all these supporters for the rights of women. And that it's nothing at all to do with (not so) thinly veiled racism based on the fear of multiculturalism.

Yeah. Lots of fucking teachers. A whole economy of teachers if you want. Why is that so scary?

Women haven't just started being scared of male violence. But this (utterly disgusting) experience in Germany on NYE has certainly sorted out the people who really believe in multiculturalism from...the racists who think they have found their perfect vehicle.

you clearly don't listen much to the news. not to mention missing the critiques of multiculturalism which have been posted here over the years.

 

[Teenage Cthulhu]

Look at what this hate filled bastard wrote:

WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH MULTICULTURALISM?

 

[Pickman's model]

Look at what this hate filled bastard wrote:

WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH MULTICULTURALISM?

or here http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/what-is-multiculturalism.243798/

 

[planetgeli]

So. We have great debate here on Urban yes? "Listen you fucking twat". "Suspicious". "Awesome stupidity". "Clearly don't listen to much news" "Not to mention critiques over the years here on Planet Urban, centre of the universe"

You people need to get it more.

As for the "thousand rapists". No, not racist at all.

Jesus fucking Christ. Take a look at yourselves.

 

[Pickman's model]

So. We have great debate here on Urban yes? "Listen you fucking twat". "Suspicious". "Awesome stupidity". "Clearly don't listen to much news" "Not to mention critiques over the years here on Planet Urban, centre of the universe"

You people need to get it more.

As for the "thousand rapists". No, not racist at all.

Jesus fucking Christ. Take a look at yourselves.

it has been mentioned more than once in the past few months that germany has taken one million immigrants. get out more.

 

[Teenage Cthulhu]

So. We have great debate here on Urban yes? "Listen you fucking twat". "Suspicious". "Awesome stupidity". "Clearly don't listen to much news" "Not to mention critiques over the years here on Planet Urban, centre of the universe"

You people need to get it more.

As for the "thousand rapists". No, not racist at all.

Jesus fucking Christ. Take a look at yourselves.

I never said any of those things, I simply asked you to explain why you feel that critics of MC are racist. The next thing this.

 

[Casually Red]

So. We have great debate here on Urban yes? "Listen you fucking twat". "Suspicious". "Awesome stupidity". "Clearly don't listen to much news" "Not to mention critiques over the years here on Planet Urban, centre of the universe"

You people need to get it more.

As for the "thousand rapists". No, not racist at all.

Jesus fucking Christ. Take a look at yourselves.

I'm sure I'll get round to it eventually but right now I'm staring open mouthed at the state of fucking you .

 

[planetgeli]

it has been mentioned more than once in the past few months that germany has taken one million immigrants. get out more.

I am not disputing Germany has taken a large number of refugees over the past 2 years. I am arguing against people like CR using that figure in a way Enoch Powell would be proud of. Accusing me of not listening to the news, or worse, heaven forbid, not being totally up to date with Urban threads, is, frankly, a laughable argument.

You really do need to get out more mate. I go to work. But every time I switch this website on in the last fortnight, your presence has been constant. I'm not using 'get out more' as a pithy insult, the sort of which you make a career out of on here. I'm using it as a statement of fact. You really do need to step away from that screen and see some real life away from here.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am not disputing Germany has taken a large number of refugees over the past 2 years. I am arguing against people like CR using that figure in a way Enoch Powell would be proud of. Accusing me of not listening to the news, or worse, heaven forbid, not being totally up to date with Urban threads, is, frankly, a laughable argument.

You really do need to get out more mate. I go to work. But every time I switch this website on in the last fortnight, your presence has been constant. I'm not using 'get out more' as a pithy insult, the sort of which you make a career out of on here. I'm using it as a statement of fact. You really do need to step away from that screen and see some real life away from here.

so having three jobs and being a union rep not enough for you, i should do more, more, MORE

incidentally, the three jobs is one down from 2014.

 

[Casually Red]

I am not disputing Germany has taken a large number of refugees over the past 2 years. I am arguing against people like CR using that figure in a way Enoch Powell would be proud of.

By actually quoting the correct figure ?

They took a quarter of a million in 2014 . One million in 2015 . You called that a random number I'd made up for reasons of racism . Because you're a dick .

And btw many of that lot will be bringing their family members over in the near future , as the immigration law allows them to . So that'll be a few million more . So id hazard a guess that's going to mean " quite a few " more teachers too .

 

[Casually Red]

So. We have great debate here on Urban yes? "Listen you fucking twat". "Suspicious". "Awesome stupidity". "Clearly don't listen to much news" "Not to mention critiques over the years here on Planet Urban, centre of the universe"

You people need to get it more.

As for the "thousand rapists". No, not racist at all.

Jesus fucking Christ. Take a look at yourselves.

You've been asked ...twice now..by the nice man to explain why opponents of multiculturalism are racist . You haven't replied to that . My hopes aren't very high tbh but I just thought it'd be appropriate to put you on the spot rather than just call you a dick again .

 

[Pickman's model]

You've been asked ...twice now..by the nice man to explain why opponents of multiculturalism are racist . You haven't replied to that . My hopes aren't very high tbh but I just thought it'd be appropriate to put you on the spot rather than just call you a dick again .

your hopes should be as high as the dead sea.

 

[Teenage Cthulhu]

The same thinking that is the problem with MC. Little paradigms to pigeon hole people in.

 

[Casually Red]

The same thinking that is the problem with MC. Little paradigms to pigeon hole people in.

Which requires very little actual thinking .